[mojila]

Hi
South is dealer and has opening bid.Hols following cards...

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Should south open strong two 2C or club slam (SAYC)

mojila

[steve2005]

if this is a money game your being fixed. EW cold for 7♥/7♠

[the hog]

south should open 4NT, specific ace ask. I think you are being fixed also.

[Cyberyeti]

the hog, on 2014-June-20, 02:48, said:

south should open 4NT, specific ace ask. I think you are being fixed also.

So what do you do when partner shows 2 ?

[MickyB]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-June-20, 04:42, said:

So what do you do when partner shows 2 ?

Bid seven. Must be about 75% to make in practice

[Vampyr]

Cyberyeti, on 2014-June-20, 04:42, said:

So what do you do when partner shows 2 ?

I am not sure that showing 2 is better than showing the lower ace; however neither method is ideal when you have two voids.

[Zelandakh]

Not that it works here but a reasonable extension to the usual 4NT responses is:-

5♣ = 0
5♦♥♠ = that ace
5NT = ♣A
6♣ = 2 aces without ♣A
6♦ = ♣A + a major suit ace
6♥ = ♣A + ♦A

With 2 aces, some have suggested showing an ace not hold on the basis that partner will usually have this and be able to work it out. Another idea that has come up a few times on BBF is to use 3NT as the specific ace ask. That allows for a full set of responses showing 2 aces.

[relknes]

end in 7♦, and when the opponents bid 7♥ or 7♠, sacrifice in 8♣.

[johnu]

Some may call this resulting, but I have never gotten a bad result when holding this hand by opening 4♠.

[gszes]

Vampyr, on 2014-June-20, 05:53, said:

I am not sure that showing 2 is better than showing the lower ace; however neither method is ideal when you have two voids.

a tiny adjustment (using relays) makes the 4n specific ace showing hand work ideally AND sometimes allow for the
location of the right side ace AND the KING of ones long suit.

over 4n

5c = none or club ace
5n asks for club A
6c = no
6d = yes and let p place the contract
Anything else is to play (however if you have the KING in the suit bid then raise to the next level).
*(I know I KNOW the one day p uses this system they will hold AQJT9876543 x x void and when you raise to 6 with your
lonely spade K you will go down in flames and try to blame me).
5d = diamond ace maybe (S or H or C)
5N asks for the club ace
6c = no
6d = yes and let partner place the contract
5h/s to play *
6c/d/h/s to play I would not raise to 7 unless the suit was diamonds and I held the AK
5h = heart ace maybe (S or C)
5s = to play*
5n = asks for the club A
6c = no
6d = yes and let partner place the contract
6c/d/h/s to play I would not raise to 7 unless the suit is hearts and I held the AK
5s = spades and maybe ©
5N asks for club A
6c = no
6d = yes and let p place contract
6c/d/h/s to play I would not raise to 7 unless the suit is spades and I held the AK
5N 3 aces and no voids this will not always let p bid a grand but there is a really
great chance they can and maybe safely bid 7n as well.
6C 3 aces and a void similar in concept but the chances of 7n are somewhat diminished due
to the void and p should settle for 7 of a suit.

The above has contracts that cannot be reached but the ones it reaches it reaches safely and
it covers a huge range of highly distributional hands and even safely allows opener to go on
fishing expeditions with 11 trick hands that would be very tough to bid otherwise. Being able
to use this system rather than using 2c followed by showing ones suit followed by GSF cuts down
a TON on interference bidding and (hopefully) sacrifices since we are starting at a very high
level.

[gehrhorn]

relknes, on 2014-June-24, 10:54, said:

end in 7♦, and when the opponents bid 7♥ or 7♠, sacrifice in 8♣.

I got a pretty big kick out of this