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Would You Open in 4th Seat

#21 User is offline   MrAce 

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Posted 2014-August-20, 20:07

View Postmikeh, on 2014-August-20, 14:09, said:

Late to the party but I pass.

If I were to open, it would be 3♣ but I see too many down sides.

In no particular order:

1. they get to bid and make a major suit game. Improbable? Yes. Impossible? No.
2. partner stretches and we go minus on a hand on which we could have passed it out
3. we go down in 3♣. I wouldn't see that as a big risk, but it could happen if partner's 7-8 hcp were in the majors

The upsides are we make 3♣ (maybe an o/t or 2), or partner bids and we make a game. Maybe they compete and go down.

My sense is that on balance the downsides outweigh the upsides, but this is a gut sense and I accept that the experience of others may lead them to be more optimistic.


Now I agree with all the downsides and upsides you listed. What I do not understand is the conclusion. How on earth these downsides you listed overweights the upsides? I know there are 3 downsides in your list vs 2 upsides but that's not how we calculate and you are good enough to know this boss, c'mon :-)
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Posted 2014-August-22, 19:33

PASS - thinking is an overbid.
If partner has ♠ we have a misfit.
If opponents have ♠ they will awaken to their fit.
I want a 4th seat preempt to show one trick away - that is I have 8 tricks for a 9 trick contract (count on partner for ONE).
This hand has 5.5 tricks - need 2.5 more to open 3♣.
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Posted 2014-August-22, 21:08

View Posteagles123, on 2014-August-18, 04:16, said:



scoring: imps
vul: none vul


would you open this in 4th seat and what are the reasons?

Thanks,

Eagles


I did open a fairly similar hand in 4th seat at the Long Beach regional . . . successfully garnering a plus in 3♣ all PASS. However, I had a few cards in each major (if memory serves) along with solid clubs, so I must have been short in ♦s, not spades. Partner had an A and a well placed K along with a worthless J.

In this hand, I can't imagine who passed with spades and an 11+ count, but as previously noted if it was partner we are a misfit.

I don't think opening leads to a plus score all that often. I pass this one.
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