[Winstonm]

Seems some of the most common bidding situations create the most problems. Here is another one. You open 1C and partner responds 1H. Do you raise, bid 1S, or something else? The following concepts apply but you may argue their usefulness: you bypass diamonds to bid a major with less than a game-forcing hand. Fourth suit forcing is a game force.

Again, does the form of scoring alter your bid?

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[TimG]

I think it is somewhat common to raise with minimums and bid out your shape with some extra values, since you're not going to pass after 1♣-1♥-1♠-1N, for instance. 5431 is almost in itself enough "extra-values", but this one might actually qualify as a minimum. Depends upon your opening bid style.

Tim

[mike777]

1S

Again XYZ comes into play here.
Can live with 2h though.

If p rebids 1nt, then easy nonforce 2h rebid.

[flytoox]

Between 1S and 2H. I think I will vote for 1S. Although my hand is min, all cards are good. If pd rebids 1N, I will retreat to 2H.

If we change SJ to HJ, I vote for 2H.

[the hog]

2H. automatic. Not good enough for 1S followed by 2H.

[HeartA]

1♠. 2♥ next round if available.

[Walddk]

1♠. If I raise to 2♥ I deny 4 spades. If partner rebids 1NT, I will pull to 2♥ (denies extras from 1- to 2-level in my methods).

This will promise a medium opener though:
1♦ - 1♥
2♣ - 2♦
2♥

With the hand in Winston's example and extras (16-18). I will still rebid 1♠ and bid 2♦ over 1NT, natural or a 3-card heart raise, forcing for 1 round. Responder is supposed to bid 2♥/3♥ with 5, otherwise 2NT/3NT. Over 2♥/3♥ I follow up with 2NT/3NT if I have a 4-0-4-5 hand.

Roland

[Winstonm]

Just a thought here. One of the problems with this hand is not so much what you bid but what your choice of bids does to partner. For example, if you chose to bid 1S, what does partner do now with: Kxx, AQxxx, xxx, xx?

WinstonM

[Walddk]

Winstonm, on Mar 16 2005, 06:33 PM, said:

Just a thought here. One of the problems with this hand is not so much what you bid but what your choice of bids does to partner. For example, if you chose to bid 1S, what does partner do now with: Kxx, AQxxx, xxx, xx?

WinstonM

1NT. I don't care much about a diamond stopper or not when I rebid 1NT. Raising to 2♥ with the actual hand gives responder a problem with

KQxx
AJxx
xxx
xx

Then I would like to be in 4♠, but we won't get there.

Roland

[luke warm]

1S and partner knows i'm unbalanced, at least 4/5 in the black suits

[mike777]

Winstonm, on Mar 16 2005, 06:33 PM, said:

Just a thought here.  One of the problems with this hand is not so much what you bid but what your choice of bids does to partner.  For example, if you chose to bid 1S, what does partner do now with: Kxx, AQxxx, xxx, xx? 

WinstonM

This is the hand for XYZ.
Rebid 2c with invite hands
Rebid 2h with sign off hands.

On this hand I would rebid 1NT so partner would infer balanced hand with less than 4 spades and 6 hearts.

Jimmy cannot 1s be 4 clubs and 4 spades?

[han]

Also 1S for me, bidding 1S first and then 2H does not show extras by my book.

(btw, the book I'm referring to here is Mike Lawrence's 2/1 book, where he discusses this topic)

[tysen2k]

I also vote for 1♠. Raise with 3 cards only if you have no other attractive option. Here you have an easy rebid. Bid out your shape.

[Winstonm]

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Rebid 2h with sign off hands.

Mike777

I appreciate the input and have no problem with the idea of 2C being checkback, but isn't it awfully dangerous to rebid a 5-card heart suit in this auction? Couldn't partner hold KJxx, x, Axxx, KJxx or Kxxx, x, KQx, AJxxx?

Then do I really want to sign off in 2H with Kxx, Kxxxx, xxxx, x?



WinstonM

[mike777]

Winstonm, on Mar 16 2005, 08:28 PM, said:

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Rebid 2h with sign off hands.

Mike777

I appreciate the input and have no problem with the idea of 2C being checkback, but isn't it awfully dangerous to rebid a 5-card heart suit in this auction? Couldn't partner hold KJxx, x, Axxx, KJxx or Kxxx, x, KQx, AJxxx?

Then do I really want to sign off in 2H with Kxx, Kxxxx, xxxx, x?



WinstonM

Agree 100% with you

1) I would rebid 1nt with first one

2)(Hand 2) Pass 1S since P could have flat 10HCP NV and flat 11HCP Vul. Perhaps 1nt here also since the opp are so silent. This bidding is making me nervous, I have 6 pts, opp are silent, P has failed to open an offshape 1nt or mexican 2d.
(4225) or jump rebid.

btw, no do not expect p to be 4144 (1D opening). but maybe 4135.

[pbleighton]

1S, I can always bid 2H later.

Peter

[the hog]

Really interested in how the 1S and later 2H bidders distinguish between:

â™  J1086
♥ K106
D 8
♣ AKJ106

and

â™  A1086
♥ K106
D 8
♣ AKJ106

Perhaps they might care to enlighten me as this is obviously a totally different philosophy in the Acol and Standard/2/1 schools. The first hand is an immediate raise, the second goes via 1S.

[EricK]

I would bid 2♥.

I appreciate that both methods have up-sides and down-sides, but I believe that this one (raising on minima and bidding out shape with extras) is the better one.

Eric

[helene_t]

1♠ but not really happy about it. Fortunately we play T-Walsh so this problem doesn't exist.