[thepossum]

MAGA is such a contradiction
Here we were thinking they were all these libertarian government hating types
But here we are

[benellis58]

Magamorons might be unhappy with the results of June 14th. From what I read, the military parade committed by that idiot Trump had a very low turnout, whereas the No Kings demonstrations were hugely successful. So Donnie wasted how much? Maybe fifty million dollars of taxpayer money - just to humiliate himself. It's really a shame that instead of being in prison, where as a convicted felon he belongs, he's in the White House causing all sorts of problems in the USA. Shame on all the fools who voted for this imbecilic piece of trash, and shame on the gutless Republican politicians who let him get away with his stupidity.

[WasWinM]

 benellis58, on 2025-June-14, 23:47, said:

Magamorons might be unhappy with the results of June 14th. From what I read, the military parade committed by that idiot Trump had a very low turnout, whereas the No Kings demonstrations were hugely successful. So Donnie wasted how much? Maybe fifty million dollars of taxpayer money - just to humiliate himself. It's really a shame that instead of being in prison, where as a convicted felon he belongs, he's in the White House causing all sorts of problems in the USA. Shame on all the fools who voted for this imbecilic piece of trash, and shame on the gutless Republican politicians who let him get away with his stupidity.

Shame on the judge who threw out his stolen documents case.
But mostly shame on us for letting all this happen.

[benellis58]

And too bad that Merrick Garland sat on his hands for so long without doing his duty as Attorney General and quickly beginning proceedings for the insurrection and other things.

[WasWinM]

 benellis58, on 2025-June-15, 19:44, said:

And too bad that Merrick Garland sat on his hands for so long without doing his duty as Attorney General and quickly beginning proceedings for the insurrection and other things.

Investigation and gathering of evidence precedes going to court. This Garland meme has gone on too long and it is unjust criticism. The SCOTUS and Judge Cannon are to blame not Garland.

[pilowsky]

WasWinM, on 2025-June-16, 17:14, said:

Investigation and gathering of evidence precedes going to court. This Garland meme has gone on too long and it is unjust criticism. The SCOTUS and Judge Cannon are to blame not Garland.

Yes, time to lei it to rest.

[johnu]

WasWinM, on 2025-June-16, 17:14, said:

Investigation and gathering of evidence precedes going to court. This Garland meme has gone on too long and it is unjust criticism. The SCOTUS and Judge Cannon are to blame not Garland.

Garland bent over backwards for Convicted Felon Trump to avoid being accused of political prosecutions. Garland's inactions got exactly the results that bending over for Convicted Felon Trump always gets.

Maybe if Garland didn't sit on his thumbs, Cannon would not have been selected as the judge in the stolen documents case. And the insurrection cases would have been completed and Convicted Felon Trump convicted once again on multiple felony cases, and this time, sent to prison. And yes, the Supreme Court interfered in those cases and delayed trials. If Garland had been an aggressive AG, there would have been plenty of time for Trump to be tried in those other cases.

[WasWinM]

 johnu, on 2025-June-16, 18:54, said:

Garland bent over backwards for Convicted Felon Trump to avoid being accused of political prosecutions. Garland's inactions got exactly the results that bending over for Convicted Felon Trump always gets.

Maybe if Garland didn't sit on his thumbs, Cannon would not have been selected as the judge in the stolen documents case. And the insurrection cases would have been completed and Convicted Felon Trump convicted once again on multiple felony cases, and this time, sent to prison. And yes, the Supreme Court interfered in those cases and delayed trials. If Garland had been an aggressive AG, there would have been plenty of time for Trump to be tried in those other cases.

You’re not being helpful. I advise reading Marcy Wheeler’s reporting on this entire episode for a fact based discussion of Garland’s response.

[benellis58]

"Garland bent over backwards for Convicted Felon Trump to avoid being accused of political prosecutions. Garland's inactions got exactly the results that bending over for Convicted Felon Trump always gets.

Maybe if Garland didn't sit on his thumbs, Cannon would not have been selected as the judge in the stolen documents case. And the insurrection cases would have been completed and Convicted Felon Trump convicted once again on multiple felony cases, and this time, sent to prison. And yes, the Supreme Court interfered in those cases and delayed trials. If Garland had been an aggressive AG, there would have been plenty of time for Trump to be tried in those other cases."

Exactly correct, Johnu! The Garland defenders here are right that Cannon and SCOTUS are (largely) to blame. Cannon and SCOTUS are disgusting...BUT if Garland had DONE HIS JOB PROPERLY, they might have been unable to let the convicted felon off. Stop trying to defend ineptitude, WasWinM.

[benellis58]

No surprise today, as Convicted Felon Trump humiliated himself at the G7 summit...just like he ALWAYS does on the world stage. The rest of the world's leaders are laughing at him, as they have been doing for the past decade. Remember that during his FIRST train wreck of a presidency he started to brag while giving a speech at the United Nations and EVERYONE there laughed at him. He then immediately said, "That's not the reaction that I expected, but that's okay." But then LATER, trying to save face, he claimed that the speech was INTENDED to elicit laughter. This was quite obviously a lie, as he HIMSELF had initially said (as already stated) "That's not the reaction that I expected". Someone as monumentally STUPID as Trump should not tell lies, because he is too much of a MORON to do it convincingly. And yet he supposedly told thirty thousand during his first four year term of incompetence. How utterly braindead do his magamoron supporters have to be to continue falling for this criminal idiot's BS?

[johnu]

WasWinM, on 2025-June-16, 19:50, said:

You’re not being helpful. I advise reading Marcy Wheeler’s reporting on this entire episode for a fact based discussion of Garland’s response.

Time was of the essence in getting Trump to trial since everybody, and especially the DOJ knew that they would have to curtail prosecutions in the final stretches of the 2024 political campaign since after Trump's escape from the impeachment trial it was clear he would run for office again.

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The IG investigators remained involved when FBI agents seized Clark’s phone June 23, 2022. The department had already, a month earlier, obtained a warrant for one of Clark’s private email accounts and would obtain a second one the following day. The August 2023 indictment of Trump describes Clark as co-conspirator 4.

It took a year and a half to seize Clark's phone after the Jan 6 insurrection. It was more than 2 1/2 years until Convicted Felon Trump was indicted.

And that was just the election interference case.

There was absolutely no reason for delays in the open and shut case of the stolen documents and obstruction of justice case. Mar-a-Lago wasn't searched until August 22, 2022, another year and a half after Trump stole those documents. Trump wasn't indicted until June 8, 2023 in the stolen documents case, 2 1/2 years after he left office.

If that sounds like Garland was investigating at full speed ahead, then we have different definitions of timely investigations.

[thepossum]

Anxious times

You had one chance now you have to have world war 3

[WasWinM]

 johnu, on 2025-June-17, 01:58, said:

Time was of the essence in getting Trump to trial since everybody, and especially the DOJ knew that they would have to curtail prosecutions in the final stretches of the 2024 political campaign since after Trump's escape from the impeachment trial it was clear he would run for office again.



It took a year and a half to seize Clark's phone after the Jan 6 insurrection. It was more than 2 1/2 years until Convicted Felon Trump was indicted.

And that was just the election interference case.

There was absolutely no reason for delays in the open and shut case of the stolen documents and obstruction of justice case. Mar-a-Lago wasn't searched until August 22, 2022, another year and a half after Trump stole those documents. Trump wasn't indicted until June 8, 2023 in the stolen documents case, 2 1/2 years after he left office.

If that sounds like Garland was investigating at full speed ahead, then we have different definitions of timely investigations.

Again, I suggest the entirety of Marcy Wheeler’s reporting on this episode. She is not prone to emotional conclusions.
No doubt we wanted Trump in prison; Garland wasn’t the problem.( Emptywheel is her handle on Bkuesky and emptywheel.net for her blog)

[barmar]

benellis58, on 2025-June-14, 23:47, said:

Magamorons might be unhappy with the results of June 14th. From what I read, the military parade committed by that idiot Trump had a very low turnout, whereas the No Kings demonstrations were hugely successful.

Trump claims he got 250,000 people at his parade. Of course it's a lie, like when he said the audience at his first inauguration was the biggest ever -- anyone could see with their own eyes that the Mall was not packed. But his supporters consistently believe whatever he spews.

[johnu]

WasWinM, on 2025-June-17, 06:46, said:

Again, I suggest the entirety of Marcy Wheeler’s reporting on this episode. She is not prone to emotional conclusions.
No doubt we wanted Trump in prison; Garland wasn’t the problem.( Emptywheel is her handle on Bkuesky and emptywheel.net for her blog)

I normally like to listen to Marcy Wheeler when she is on TV as a guest. But her article is a whitewash of Garland's foot dragging and slow rolling of Trump investigations. The impression of Garland is that he wanted to appear super fair and nonpartisan to show that he would have been a fair and impartial supreme court justice. Garland maybe succeeded in that goal, however, he was the US Attorney General, not a supreme court justice, and his focus and responsibility should have been on putting the worst criminals in the US into prison.

Also, AFAIK, Wheeler doesn't address the delays in the stolen documents/obstruction of justice case against Convicted Felon Trump which was a slam dunk case if it got to trial.

[WasWinM]

johnu, on 2025-June-17, 14:31, said:

I normally like to listen to Marcy Wheeler when she is on TV as a guest. But her article is a whitewash of Garland's foot dragging and slow rolling of Trump investigations. The impression of Garland is that he wanted to appear super fair and nonpartisan to show that he would have been a fair and impartial supreme court justice. Garland maybe succeeded in that goal, however, he was the US Attorney General, not a supreme court justice, and his focus and responsibility should have been on putting the worst criminals in the US into prison.

Also, AFAIK, Wheeler doesn't address the delays in the stolen documents/obstruction of justice case against Convicted Felon Trump which was a slam dunk case if it got to trial.

Here, I'll make it easier to find. https://share.google/iZaEnpXcFkimIkdUE

[WasWinM]

If you follow Marcy Wheeler's blog closely, you would know that she covered the documents case more thoroughly than virtually anyone. It's hard to pick sources to trust these days but I'd put her blog at the top of my list for factual knowledge about what is occurring.

[johnu]

WasWinM, on 2025-June-17, 15:33, said:

Here, I'll make it easier to find. https://share.google/iZaEnpXcFkimIkdUE

Honestly, seems like even more whitewashing to me. At best, it shows that Garland was totally incompetent instead of having done doing nothing for months. As I noted, time was of the essence to get Trump indicted and get trials completed before the 2024 elections forced the DOJ to freeze actions against Trump, assuming DOJ was going to follow precedent. Personally, I would have continued ongoing investigations and trials against Trump during the presidential campaign.

[benellis58]

Johnu, everything you have said in your posts is correct. WasWinM is just plain wrong. There are even articles on the Internet showing why Marcy's thesis was flawed. You don't need to read them, because you already know the correct story, but WWM should open his eyes and give them a look.

[WasWinM]

I don’t need to read to hear suppositions of the uninformed. I read to learn the facts, not the spin.