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IMP pairs. What went wrong here?
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Posted 2017-February-11, 06:54
IMP pairs. What went wrong here?
The "4♥ is a transfer to 4♠" award goes to Jinksy - PhilKing
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Posted 2017-February-11, 07:42
Not sure anything went wrong.
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Posted 2017-February-11, 09:09
What went wrong was that W didn't lead a diamond presumably 
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Posted 2017-February-11, 10:12
Jinksy, on 2017-February-11, 06:54, said:
IMP pairs. What went wrong here?
Defense out to lunch.
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Posted 2017-February-11, 10:12
Jinksy, on 2017-February-11, 06:54, said:
IMP pairs. What went wrong here?
Defense out to lunch.
Be the partner you want to play with.
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Posted 2017-February-11, 10:12
Jinksy, on 2017-February-11, 06:54, said:
IMP pairs. What went wrong here?
Otoh, 4♠ by N seems prudent.
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Posted 2017-February-11, 10:47
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N should have bid 3♠ over 1 NT
N should have bid 3♠ over 1 NT
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Posted 2017-February-12, 01:36
. It is obvious that a diamond was the opening lead when on the bidding a club or less likely a heart lead was a marked opening lead "keeping just a little respect for the opponents".The question should have been "Which/what was the worst bid ?".
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Posted 2017-February-12, 06:18
Jinksy, on 2017-February-11, 06:54, said:
IMP pairs. What went wrong here?
North is most definitely the villain of the piece here. That glorious spade suit is too good for just
a simple overcall. By bidding 4♠ direct North is TELLING his partner what the final contract should be.
It also has the merit of stifling the opposition.
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Posted 2017-February-12, 07:33
PhilG007, on 2017-February-12, 06:18, said:
North is most definitely the villain of the piece here. That glorious spade suit is too good for just
a simple overcall. By bidding 4♠ direct North is TELLING his partner what the final contract should be.
It also has the merit of stifling the opposition.
a simple overcall. By bidding 4♠ direct North is TELLING his partner what the final contract should be.
It also has the merit of stifling the opposition.
Is there anything wrong if North supposes that South may be having a hand like xx-Axx-Axxxx-Axx.?Certainly Norths vision may be considered blurred but he is not a villain,
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Posted 2017-February-12, 09:05
PhilG007, on 2017-February-12, 06:18, said:
North is most definitely the villain of the piece here. That glorious spade suit is too good for just
a simple overcall. By bidding 4♠ direct North is TELLING his partner what the final contract should be.
It also has the merit of stifling the opposition.
a simple overcall. By bidding 4♠ direct North is TELLING his partner what the final contract should be.
It also has the merit of stifling the opposition.
Where is the benefit of being in 4♠ compared to 3N? Both are going down.
S is the villain. His partner has ♠ and nothing else given the bidding to date. Seems clear to me to PASS 2♠, even though it is not an option given in the vote!
Norths mistake was bidding at all as the best possible result is 1N-3. I expect W has a good club suit and not enough points to bid 2♣ so he will run to a making 2♣ if anyone doubles.
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Posted 2017-February-12, 11:32
PhilG007, on 2017-February-12, 06:18, said:
North is most definitely the villain of the piece here. That glorious spade suit is too good for just
a simple overcall. By bidding 4♠ direct North is TELLING his partner what the final contract should be.
It also has the merit of stifling the opposition.
a simple overcall. By bidding 4♠ direct North is TELLING his partner what the final contract should be.
It also has the merit of stifling the opposition.
Agree that North should bid differently.
However, 4♠ is . . . villanous, would result in glorious shame, and has few merits.
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Posted 2017-February-13, 00:06
nekthen, on 2017-February-12, 09:05, said:
Where is the benefit of being in 4♠ compared to 3N? Both are going down.
S is the villain. His partner has ♠ and nothing else given the bidding to date. Seems clear to me to PASS 2♠, even though it is not an option given in the vote!
Norths mistake was bidding at all as the best possible result is 1N-3. I expect W has a good club suit and not enough points to bid 2♣ so he will run to a making 2♣ if anyone doubles.
S is the villain. His partner has ♠ and nothing else given the bidding to date. Seems clear to me to PASS 2♠, even though it is not an option given in the vote!
Norths mistake was bidding at all as the best possible result is 1N-3. I expect W has a good club suit and not enough points to bid 2♣ so he will run to a making 2♣ if anyone doubles.
I fully agree that Souths 2NT was an extravagant and totally unacceptable bid when North has clearly indicated that he is competing with only spades oriented hand and making the opponents to guess what to bid at 3 level if at all they wanted to.South had not the vision that West had certainly a long club suit having failed to support diamonds or bid hearts. .South should have passed quickly since he has no guard at all in club suit and almost none worth mention in heart suit also.With AKQ of diamonds in his hand where are the opponent Points ? Obviously in H and C only.It is very lucky that he was not doubled and lost the first 7 or 8 tricks.The less said about the three excepting North the better.!,
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Posted 2017-February-13, 07:05
nekthen, on 2017-February-12, 09:05, said:
Where is the benefit of being in 4♠ compared to 3N? Both are going down.
S is the villain. His partner has ♠ and nothing else given the bidding to date. Seems clear to me to PASS 2♠, even though it is not an option given in the vote!
Norths mistake was bidding at all as the best possible result is 1N-3. I expect W has a good club suit and not enough points to bid 2♣ so he will run to a making 2♣ if anyone doubles.
S is the villain. His partner has ♠ and nothing else given the bidding to date. Seems clear to me to PASS 2♠, even though it is not an option given in the vote!
Norths mistake was bidding at all as the best possible result is 1N-3. I expect W has a good club suit and not enough points to bid 2♣ so he will run to a making 2♣ if anyone doubles.
4♠ can make 10 tricks ( 7 spades + 3 diamonds.) 3NT goes down among the dead men on a club lead.
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Posted 2017-February-13, 07:11
msjennifer, on 2017-February-12, 07:33, said:
Is there anything wrong if North supposes that South may be having a hand like xx-Axx-Axxxx-Axx.?Certainly Norths vision may be considered blurred but he is not a villain,
With the hand you quoted 4♠ still makes (7 spades + the three side suit aces.)
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Posted 2017-February-13, 07:13
PhilG007, on 2017-February-13, 07:05, said:
4♠ can make 10 tricks ( 7 spades + 3 diamonds.) 3NT goes down among the dead men on a club lead.
I suspect that making those 10 tricks may be problematic after the defence have cashed the first 5 (2 Clubs and 3 Hearts).
Yes 4S can make on a pointy suit lead. But then 3N makes the same.
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Posted 2017-February-13, 07:14
JonnyQuest, on 2017-February-12, 11:32, said:
Agree that North should bid differently.
However, 4♠ is . . . villanous, would result in glorious shame, and has few merits.
However, 4♠ is . . . villanous, would result in glorious shame, and has few merits.
If,as you say,4♠is villainous then 3 NT is diabolical
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Posted 2017-February-13, 07:16
1eyedjack, on 2017-February-13, 07:13, said:
I suspect that making those 10 tricks may be problematic after the defence have cashed the first 5 (2 Clubs and 3 Hearts).
Yes 4S can make on a pointy suit lead. But then 3N makes the same.
Yes 4S can make on a pointy suit lead. But then 3N makes the same.
Not on a club lead it doesn't
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Posted 2017-February-13, 07:35
PhilG007, on 2017-February-13, 07:16, said:
Not on a club lead it doesn't
What part of "but then" did you overlook? Presumably the "then" part. Or are Clubs a "pointy suit" in your neck of the woods?
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Posted 2017-February-13, 13:23
How does 3NT make on a club lead? This I gotta see(!)😁
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