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Ignoring minor transfers Not ignoring it proved costly at MPs

#21 User is offline   Stephen Tu 

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Posted 2020-September-04, 20:16

View Postsfi, on 2020-September-04, 19:30, said:

I'm interested to hear why you think using the middle step is better. There is another more subtle, but IMO more important, reason to make bidding the suit the superaccept.

If you do so, responder plays 3m when you don't know whether they were weak or invitational (looking for a fit). Opener plays 3m when responder's hand strength is revealed. Using the middle step as a superaccept reverses that, so the defence knows more about responder's hand when they declare.


From my point of view:
- by far the most common position is opener doesn't have a super-accept and responder is weak. In this position I want opener's high cards protected from the opening lead, in case tempo matters and gives us a chance to dump some losers when our weak suit can't be attacked from one side.
- if opener *does* have a super-accept, the fit is good and we are more likely to make even if wrong-sided.

I think this is more important than revealing responder's strength range (still quite broad; just know not invitational) after an opener super-accept. Your opinion may vary.
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Posted 2020-September-04, 20:20

View PostStephen Tu, on 2020-September-04, 20:02, said:

Perhaps a bit strangely, I think the std version of puppet over 2nt openings is so bad that I typically ask partners to just play regular stayman over 2nt and only play puppet over 1nt. (I hate the interference with Smolen hands, also I really can't remember the last time a team pwned me by bidding to making 4M on a 5-3 fit while I went down in 3nt). I could probably be persuaded to play a souped up modified Muppet or Romex type version but most partners seem content to just play regular.

I do prefer Puppet to simple Stayman. But I prefer better versions of the theme to either. The gains are marginal though.

About a year ago I picked up a good hand with a solid 6-card heart suit. It looked right to open it 2NT, and when partner responded 3C I was really tempted to not show the major. Sadly we found our 6-3 heart fit and both contracts had exactly 9 tricks. So it would have been a win for you. :)
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Posted 2020-September-04, 20:43

View Postthepossum, on 2020-September-04, 18:15, said:

I just read it somewhere, thats all, if you felt your NT opener was strong enough to cover the other suits

You've probably read about the system where 2 is a transfer to clubs, where opener can suggest playing in 3NT by superaccepting with 2NT, as others have alluded to. Then you can still stop in 3 when partner really is weak, but find some light 3NT games when you have a good fit, if not the full points for a normal game.

With GIBs system, it's never possible for opener to bid 3NT, because a 15-17 hand opposite potentially 0 points from partner is never enough to 'cover the other suits'.
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Posted 2020-September-05, 15:54

View Postsmerriman, on 2020-September-04, 20:43, said:

You've probably read about the system where 2 is a transfer to clubs, where opener can suggest playing in 3NT by superaccepting with 2NT, as others have alluded to. Then you can still stop in 3 when partner really is weak, but find some light 3NT games when you have a good fit, if not the full points for a normal game.

With GIBs system, it's never possible for opener to bid 3NT, because a 15-17 hand opposite potentially 0 points from partner is never enough to 'cover the other suits'.


Thankyou.
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