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#21 User is offline   smerriman 

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Posted 2021-October-16, 12:53

View Postmycroft, on 2021-October-16, 11:12, said:

But the traditional meaning of double of 3NT by the non-leader is "lead dummy's first bid suit, it goes down if you do, and you'd never find the lead normally." Here, spades.

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So it should be used as a "do something unusual" beacon instead..


Agree with everything you wrote. Question to ponder though - in this auction, when three suits have been bid naturally, opener has a stopper in the 4th (well, opener should, no idea what these opps were doing), and partner could have doubled 2, is it possible that leading a spade through dummy is actually the normal lead, rather than into one of opener's suits?
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Posted 2021-October-16, 15:18

Such a situation occurred when I was extremely new to the game. RHO opened 1NT (strong), my LHO bid 3NT and my partner doubled. I had never heard of Lightner doubles but I reasoned partner can’t be doubling on strength so maybe he has a strong suit he wants me to find. I led my singleton heart and partner produced the AKQJx for down 1.

That’s when I thought to myself I might have a knack for this game.
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Posted 2021-October-16, 15:22

View PostWinstonm, on 2021-October-16, 15:18, said:

Such a situation occurred when I was extremely new to the game. RHO opened 1NT (strong), my LHO bid 3NT and my partner doubled. I had never heard of Lightner doubles but I reasoned partner can't be doubling on strength so maybe he has a strong suit he wants me to find. I led my singleton heart and partner produced the AKQJx for down 1.

That's when I thought to myself I might have a knack for this game.


I thought Lightner doubles specifically applied to slam contracts (another misconception?); this seems to be something else entirely.
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Posted 2021-October-16, 21:12

View Postpilowsky, on 2021-October-16, 15:22, said:

I thought Lightner doubles specifically applied to slam contracts (another misconception?); this seems to be something else entirely.

Maybe originally but I think over time the term applies to any double designed to tell partner, wake up, if you can find the right lead we can beat this!
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