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Awkward response to negative double

Poll: Awkward response to negative double (8 member(s) have cast votes)

My response to dbl:

  1. Pass, partner should try not to double with club shortage (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Pass but it's risky as p could have club shortage (1 votes [12.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  3. 2d, partner shouldn't pass with only two diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 2d but partner may pass with 2 (or fewer?) diamonds (4 votes [50.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  5. 2h, this only shows 3 (1 votes [12.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  6. 2h but partner will assume 4 (2 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  7. 2NT, partner won't assume I have a club stopper (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. 2NT but partner will assume I have a club stopper (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   helene_t 

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Posted 2022-April-01, 04:07

1♦-(2♣)-x-(pass)
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KQx-KJx-KJxx-xxx

Playing 5-card majors, strong notrump. Assume forcing freebids if it matters.
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Posted 2022-April-01, 05:44

If you play strong NT with 5M and this bidding sequence, partner should realise that you might have this 3343 (weak NT) hand. That's why players prefer a 1♣ opening here. 2♦ is a false bid, promising 5+ ♦. 2♥ is better response to the neg X imo as you've been forced to bid, and partner should not expect 4♥ here. (Though one for partnership discussion and agreement.)

Btw The negative X bidder does not promise 4M in either ♥/♠ but a hand with values to bid, but with no obvious bid.
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Posted 2022-April-01, 09:57

Another day another problem over either 1♦-(P)-2♣ or 1♦-(2♣). I would introduce artificial responses over both.
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Posted 2022-April-01, 14:30

View PostDavidKok, on 2022-April-01, 09:57, said:

Another day another problem over either 1♦-(P)-2♣ or 1♦-(2♣). I would introduce artificial responses over both.

Yup. For example, Han Peters suggested that dbl shows 4+ spades (with hearts and diamond tolerance but less than 4 spades he bids 2♦) and then you don't have this problem.
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Posted 2022-April-06, 14:27


Helene_T 'Playing 5-card majors, strong notrump. Assume forcing freebids if it matters.

IMO, here 2♦ = ART Catchall. Might be 2 or 3 cards. Denies 4 card M.
To avoid devising a weirder structure :(

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