[mw64ahw]

nullve, on 2024-March-21, 07:43, said:

Yes, and it should be standard IMO.

Thanks
For me I think the 2M bids after 2♦ (no 5-cM) can show the invitational canape.

[DavidKok]

Douglas43, on 2024-March-21, 03:13, said:

Has anyone carried out a simulation to see what percentage of unbalanced 1♣ include a club suit of 4+ cards?
I've been content with treating it as including 4+ clubs until proven otherwise and bidding as normal, except that I do occasionally make a one-level overcall on a good 4 card suit against a prepared club. It's simple, no memory strain and I've seldom been left ruing my inability to compete in clubs.
Paul

Yeah, I've run simulations on this before (assuming you mean 'balanced club'). It depends on style and exact agreements, but it's exactly two about 10% of the time and exactly three about 15% of the time, give or take a bit. If we condition on LHO overcalling the numbers go down a little.

[Douglas43]

DavidKok, on 2024-March-21, 11:03, said:

Yeah, I've run simulations on this before (assuming you mean 'balanced club'). It depends on style and exact agreements, but it's exactly two about 10% of the time and exactly three about 15% of the time, give or take a bit. If we condition on LHO overcalling the numbers go down a little.

Thanks David. Based on subjective experience, I might have "guestimated" that 33% are short. If in fact it's 25% then my agricultural "treat it as natural" comes out slightly better than I expected. (At least half my oppo play Acol, so defence to short club is less significant than in countries where 2/1 is almost universal).
Paul

[pescetom]

paulg, on 2024-March-21, 02:23, said:

The Italians like to play a Multi 2♦ overcall over 1♣ when it is permitted, but the Brown Sticker classification makes it less attractive.

When the Italians are at home, they are not allowed to play either 2♦ or 2♥ as a multi over short 1♣ in any event where Brown Sticker is disallowed.

[pescetom]

Douglas43, on 2024-March-21, 15:36, said:

Thanks David. Based on subjective experience, I might have "guestimated" that 33% are short. If in fact it's 25% then my agricultural "treat it as natural" comes out slightly better than I expected. (At least half my oppo play Acol, so defence to short club is less significant than in countries where 2/1 is almost universal).
Paul

David's numbers are right and (playing in a country where short club is standard) I agree it is not agricultural to "treat it as natural". Most people are far too ready to assume the opposite.

[nullve]

DavidKok, on 2024-March-19, 17:04, said:

I think the Dutch previously played (1♣)-2♥ as a multi (a weak jump overcall in hearts or spades). As far as I know this mostly has shock value, but maybe there's technical merit. If I remember correctly this was part of a larger structure of artificial or multi-meaning overcalls. I've seen discussion on this on these forums in the past but have forgotten both the name and the treatment.

https://www.bridgeba...n-sticker-bids/

[DavidKok]

nullve, on 2024-March-22, 03:14, said:

https://www.bridgeba...n-sticker-bids/

Thank you!

[mycroft]

Late, but in response to MikeH, re: (1♣)-2♥ either major. On the Open/+ charts, opposite a quasi-Natural (3+ or "Natural if opened 1NT") the following are the only disallowed Overcalls (1. and 2. refer to defences to Natural suit opening bids):

ACBL Open Chart said:

3. A Purely Destructive overcall.
4. Psyching an Artificial overcall.

Purely Destructive is a strange definition, but the two relevant "not PD" cases:

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b. 5+ cards in one of two possible suits.
d. An either/or combination of any two of a, b, or c (which may be the same option twice).

So 2♥ "5+ hearts or 5+ spades" meets b. 2♥ "an unknown 5+ card suit" meets d. (using b. twice, once for each pair)

The dreaded (1♣)-1♠ "13 cards" is PD, but as long as it promises a 5+card suit, 1♠ "wants to play at the 2 level" is not.

Interestingly enough, they may have won (the brown sticker battle) in Shanghai, but they lost in the ACBL.