[Nirmalya]

Hi
Has anyone read the book Card Pro bidding system by Ron Feldman?
Interesting book. Lots of new ideas, particularly for Slam queries. The ideas can be incorporated irrespective of your bidding system.

[PrecisionL]

I read the summary on Amazon.com, but I am not interested in a 5-cd Major System.

However, how does the 4-cd minor opening bids work? I am interested in learning that design.

What does Pro Card open with 4=3=3=3, 3=4=3=3, 4=4=3=2, and 4=4=2=3 out of the 1NT range?

[nullve]

PrecisionL, on 2024-October-22, 16:06, said:

What does Pro Card open with 4=3=3=3, 3=4=3=3, 4=4=3=2, and 4=4=2=3 out of the 1NT range?

From the introduction (see the Read sample on the Amazon page):

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Card Pro has the ability to be able to incorporate Power Bids by repurposing the Opening 1NT bid to show 12+ - 16- HCP Balanced Hands, and Opening 2♣ to show 16+ - 19- HCP Balanced Hands.

[PrecisionL]

I bought the book anyway.

Feldman has an interesting Slam Approach - 2NT rebid by either partner asks for Key Cards, then Trump Honors, then non-trump Primary Controls, etc.

I wonder if I can use this with my Canape system?

Some misprints and a few contradictions. Otherwise, very interesting distributional approach.

[jillybean]

PrecisionL, on 2024-October-30, 09:30, said:

I bought the book anyway.

Feldman has an interesting Slam Approach - 2NT rebid by either partner asks for Key Cards, then Trump Honors, then non-trump Primary Controls, etc.

I wonder if I can use this with my Canape system?

Lots of misprints and a few contradictions. Otherwise, very interesting distributional approach.

You must have a wonderful partner!

[mike777]

PrecisionL, on 2024-October-30, 09:30, said:

I bought the book anyway.

Feldman has an interesting Slam Approach - 2NT rebid by either partner asks for Key Cards, then Trump Honors, then non-trump Primary Controls, etc.

I wonder if I can use this with my Canape system?

Lots of misprints and a few contradictions. Otherwise, very interesting distributional approach.

Are you familiar with an old system devised by Larry Weiss, Simple Club?
Strong club, Canape
Many ideas borrowed from Blue Team and Roman Club.

[pescetom]

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[PrecisionL]

mike777, on 2024-October-30, 16:41, said:

Are you familiar with an old system devised by Larry Weiss, Simple Club?
Strong club, Canape
Many ideas borrowed from Blue Team and Roman Club.

Yes, I have the 2nd edition pamphlet, 1989.

Also, The New Awakening, 2007 is a modernized version of The Simplified Club.

The Canary Club is also similar, 1960s.

[mike777]

Yes The Simplified Club
2nd edition by Larry Weiss.

Had no idea of the 2007 book
Version. Thank you so much.
The New Awakening..
Is it still available??

Remember reading about Canary Club years ago.
Never played it.

[mike777]

Just found The New Awakening book on Amazon.
Just ordered it.
Again big thank you.
I knew Larry when he was retired in Vista.. decades ago..

[PrecisionL]

A more complicated version of a canape system is UBC:

Unbalanced Club, 2022, A Strong Club System using Symmetric Relays, Canape, and many transfer bids to allow the strong hand to be declarer.

Authors Joe Houde and Andrew Loh. An 8 1/2 x 11 book of 322 pages.

Joe can be found on the BBO.com site.

[PrecisionL]

My local partner and I have been practicing Card Pro against two Gib Robots on BBO for 2 weeks.
I call it Reverse Precision as the 16+ hcp hands are identified by opener in 4 distinct ways:

1) Rebidding 1NT (Artificial & Forcing with 16+ hcp) after Opening 1 of a suit (unbalanced) asking Responder if s/he has 9+ hcp,
2) Rebidding 2♣ (Artificial & Forcing with 16+ hcp) to Responders response of 1NT to any 1 of a suit opening asking Responder if s/he has 9+ hcp,
3) Opening 2♣ = 16-19 balanced,
4) Opening 2♦ = 20+ hcp Balanced or Game Force

Roman 2-bids in the Majors (5M + 4♣) allow Opener to rebid 2♣ over a 1NT response as Artificial & Forcing.
1NT is 12+ to 16-
Reverses and Jump Shifts by Opener are limited to 15 hcp.
2/1 Game Forcing is the rest of the system.
Many Slam Auctions are initiated by either partner jumping to 2NT (promising 4 trumps and slam interest).

The Follow-ons are complicated but well thought out to investigate possible slam at the 3-level starting with Key-Cards.

[awm]

Opening 2♣ with 16-19 balanced seems pretty poor, as does the wide 1nt range. Having no preemptive two bids is likely to cost in real games too (but not so much in bidding practice).

I suppose in exchange your one bids are all natural and unbalanced? But this seems to go against frequency rules. It seems like you’d do better to (for example) put 16+ balanced in 1♣, play 2♣ as 4+♣ and a 5+ major, and free up 2M as a weak two bid.

Do you have a feel for how this system is doing in bidding practice?

[nullve]

awm, on 2024-November-24, 03:58, said:

Opening 2♣ with 16-19 balanced seems pretty poor, as does the wide 1nt range.

Apparently, the ranges are 12+ - 16- and 16+ - 19-:

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Card Pro has the ability to be able to incorporate Power Bids by repurposing the Opening 1NT bid to show 12+ - 16- HCP Balanced Hands, and Opening 2♣ to show 16+ - 19- HCP Balanced Hands.

I wonder what the opening is with 16 that is neither a 16- (= bad 16?) or a 16+ (= good 16?), though.

[PrecisionL]

awm, on 2024-November-24, 03:58, said:

Do you have a feel for how this system is doing in bidding practice?

Slam bidding is very good, lots of inferences when partner opens a 1-bid (unbalanced or 5422 with no stoppers in the doubletons).

I like showing distribution first, then strength later. Reverse Precision

I was concerned about the 4 1/2 hcp range of 1NT, we are using banzai points. No conclusion yet.

[foobar]

PrecisionL, on 2024-November-23, 21:30, said:

My local partner and I have been practicing Card Pro against two Gib Robots on BBO for 2 weeks.
I call it Reverse Precision as the 16+ hcp hands are identified by opener in 4 distinct ways:

1) Rebidding 1NT (Artificial & Forcing with 16+ hcp) after Opening 1 of a suit (unbalanced) asking Responder if s/he has 9+ hcp,
2) Rebidding 2♣ (Artificial & Forcing with 16+ hcp) to Responders response of 1NT to any 1 of a suit opening asking Responder if s/he has 9+ hcp,
3) Opening 2♣ = 16-19 balanced,
4) Opening 2♦ = 20+ hcp Balanced or Game Force

Roman 2-bids in the Majors (5M + 4♣) allow Opener to rebid 2♣ over a 1NT response as Artificial & Forcing.
1NT is 12+ to 16-
Reverses and Jump Shifts by Opener are limited to 15 hcp.
2/1 Game Forcing is the rest of the system.
Many Slam Auctions are initiated by either partner jumping to 2NT (promising 4 trumps and slam interest).

The Follow-ons are complicated but well thought out to investigate possible slam at the 3-level starting with Key-Cards.

How do the 1-level openings work? Are they F1 perforce since they are ostensibly 10-22 (23+ presumably goes into the 2♦ opening)?

[PrecisionL]

 foobar, on 2024-November-27, 14:23, said:

How do the 1-level openings work? Are they F1 perforce since they are ostensibly 10-22 (23+ presumably goes into the 2♦ opening)?

Most 20+ openings are opened 2♦. There are methods to stop low after opening 2♦ if responder has 0-2 or 3-5 hcp. 1-bids are NOT forcing.