[pescetom]

This really belongs under N/B, but based on what happened in the national simultaneous tournament I suspect that it might be more useful to Intermediates.


MP

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You are playing 2/1 GF with 1NT 15-17. Over 1♥, 1♠ is unlimited and does not deny fit, 1NT is semi-forcing and denies fit, 2♦ is 5+ game-force, 2♠ 6(5) weak, 3♦ 6+ mildly invitational.

Your call?

[jillybean]

1♠. what's the catch?

There are 6-5 come alive's, and then there is this one.

[pescetom]

jillybean, on 2025-July-01, 13:17, said:

1♠. what's the catch?

There are 6-5 come alive's, and then there is this one.

I had no doubt

Let's see what others have to say and then move on.

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2025-July-01, 14:17, said:

I had no doubt

Let's see what others have to say and then move on.

1♠, the problem comes over 2 or 3 hearts or clubs

[jillybean]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-July-01, 14:21, said:

1♠, the problem comes over 2 or 3 hearts or clubs

2H pass
2C 2H
What's 3h 3c?

Looking forward to seeing where this goes

[pescetom]

jillybean, on 2025-July-01, 14:42, said:

Looking forward to seeing where this goes

It's fun, but I was interested in the first call too.
Many of our beginners would Pass (bless them).
I would be tempted by 2♠ at different vulnerability, maybe someone sees some merit in 1NT.

[mike777]

1S
Will pass 2 or 3H rebid
XYZ over 1NT and play in 2D
Will rebid 2H over 2C.

If partner jump rebids 2NT I can stop in 3D.

[pescetom]

I give in, it's late and tomorrow is another hot and busy day

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Your call now?

[mike777]

pescetom, on 2025-July-01, 15:15, said:

I give in, it's late and tomorrow is another hot and busy day.

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Your call now?

2H.
Not the first time in a 5-1 , smile

[apollo1201]

pescetom, on 2025-July-01, 14:49, said:

maybe someone sees some merit in 1NT.

With 4-6, I would really consider it to correct the expected 2C to 2D.
But with 5-cd we could risk losing a 53 or 52 over 1NT rebid, even 54 fit.

[WasWinM]

Pass. Unlike a previous thread where the opening was 1D, the 1H opening dramatically lessens the chance for a spade fit and increases misfit chances.

[jillybean]

pescetom, on 2025-July-01, 14:49, said:

It's fun, but I was interested in the first call too.
Many of our beginners would Pass (bless them).
I would be tempted by 2♠ at different vulnerability, maybe someone sees some merit in 1NT.

Pass is a what we are taught, we only have 4 hcp. Then we learn that there is a lot more to this game than following bidding rules.

mike777, on 2025-July-01, 15:14, said:

1S
Will pass 2 or 3H rebid
XYZ over 1NT and play in 2D
Will rebid 2H over 2C.

If partner jump rebids 2NT I can stop in 3D.

Michael's stolen the show again.

pescetom, on 2025-July-01, 15:15, said:

I give in, it's late and tomorrow is another hot and busy day

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Still 2H, let's see what we've got.

[smerriman]

jillybean, on 2025-July-01, 18:31, said:

Pass is a what we are taught, we only have 4 hcp. Then we learn that there is a lot more to this game than following bidding rules.

Pass seems plausible on a more-than-just-bidding-rules basis, though. There seems a reasonable chance that if we respond, we'll end up in a worse contract after partner rebids or jumps in clubs or hearts. I don't think I'd pass but if someone ran the numbers and told me that would end up happening more often than not, I wouldn't be astonished, given how many bad scores I've had from misfits.

[shyams]

Given that our bidding agreement includes 3♦ as a NF limited hand with 6-card suit, I am directly jumping to 3♦ over partner's 1♥ opening.

[P_Marlowe]

pescetom, on 2025-July-01, 15:15, said:

I give in, it's late and tomorrow is another hot and busy day

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Your call now?

2H

And yes this is a well known problem.

Pass instead of 1S is ok, but I would not do it.
Obv. the system in play matters.

[Cyberyeti]

Fully expecting A, xxxxx, AQJ, Axxx opposite

[jillybean]

P_Marlowe, on 2025-July-02, 02:25, said:

2H

And yes this is a well known problem.

Pass instead of 1S is ok, but I would not do it.
Obv. the system in play matters.

If we pass, we wouldn't have a bidding problem to post.

[mw64ahw]

pescetom, on 2025-July-01, 15:15, said:

I give in, it's late and tomorrow is another hot and busy day

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Your call now?

2♦
Its not 4th suit forcing for me just indicating a 5152 hand at best. Partner can Pass/Correct

[WasWinM]

It’s hard to imagine the benefit of bidding-partner is highly unlikely to raise 1S with only 3 so finding a spade partial is more like wishful thinking. Bidding is really just hoping partner holds 45 in the majors as the diamonds are dead once you bid 1S unless you get really lucky and stumble into a 64 fit with partner’s rebid. A final question is what do you do when partner makes a game forcing rebid of 3C?

It’s always reasonable to ask what the benefit of bidding might be. Shape doesn’t claim its true value until a fit is uncovered.

[jillybean]

mw64ahw, on 2025-July-02, 06:21, said:

2♦
Its not 4th suit forcing for me just indicating a 5152 hand at best. Partner can Pass/Correct

You and your partner have the best gadgets for these bidding problems