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Tricky three-suiters

#21 User is offline   DavidKok 

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Posted Today, 03:18

Let's keep it moving. I'm doing away with the spoilers from here on. In no particular order:

  • mike777 had the 1-1; 2-3; ? start, which I think should set trumps (with lesser spades, instead bid 1-1; 2-2; <something>-3).
  • mikeh started 1-1*; 1NT-2*; 2-3*; ? - here responder is showing a similar hand type, a slam try with long spades, but notably opener has chosen to describe the hand differently (balanced instead of two-suited). We're also one step lower and a spades contract will be played by the other side. I presume 3 sets trumps and initiates control bidding - please describe how opener continues. Do you have some (Non)Serious gadget, and how do you weigh the HCP maximum versus the singleton queen in support and unwelcome shape in evaluating this hand in context?
  • mw64ahw broke out a specialised gadget, bidding 2-2; 3-4; 5-? where 3 showed exactly 1=4=4=4 - quite high for a 19-count when partner had no room to contribute. 4 was a slam try setting spades, and 5 showed odd keycards and the queen. Unfortunately I think this is too high for partner to make an informed decision.
  • Cyberyeti bid 1-1; 1NT-2; 3-?, also choosing to treat the hand as 17-19 balanced and representing exactly 2=3=4=4 it seems? Over this partner will make a slam try in spades, perhaps with 3 if that bid carries that meaning. What are your continuations?
  • jillybean chose to upgrade into 2NT, also representing the hand as balanced. Over this I play that 4 shows a slam try in spades (and sets the trump suit), which partner will use. I imagine you'd respond 4 (negative) rather than 4 (positive), over which partner is in a difficult spot.

I won't reveal partner's hand just yet, but I can say that partner isn't really interested in keycards. Controls and playing strength are more valuable on this deal, and having tools to establish a slam try in spades by the 3 level or so is a major benefit on this deal. Please let me know how your auctions would continue, I'll jump in and provide partner's actions if needed (and you tell me what the options are).

4x1's are problem hands for almost all bidding systems - this is the only hand type that is neither balanced nor has (at least) a five card suit. If you add some strength to the hand it also becomes unattractive to sit back and let partner take the reins. I think most or all of these auctions are still on track for finding good contracts, and it's interesting to see the impact of multiple close decisions.
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Posted Today, 03:25

The other option I have is opening my esoteric unbalanced

Now if the hand is game invitational
After opener shows shape responder indicates strength followed by opener showing shortage
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The 2 bid shows one of s4(53), s444,xx55 or x45x GI only for the latter after 2
Game invitational

Game forcing

Game forcing with self-sustaining Spades

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Posted Today, 03:29

Responder has a game forcing hand with spades, but needs shape information from opener before committing to any trump suit and strength information before committing to a slam try. I'm not sure what your game forcing options are over 1, but responder can not commit to showing self-sufficient spades in my opinion until opener has shared the hand type and primary suits. I'd like to know what your exact criteria are for showing a game forcing hand with a self-sufficient suit, so that I don't misinterpret your methods.
Do keep in mind though that at the table you can't normally choose a different opening bid after your gadget misfired at the 5-level.
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Posted Today, 08:15

I mentioned in my post above the problem for me during the kickback sequence.

My having all the outside kings and the
queen of trumps is a problem in showing them in my style.

It could be resolved by responder lying over my 6C bid.
Unfortunately in teaching this version of Kickback to my partner, this situation has never come and I doubt they would think of it.

In the style, many years ago, that I was taught captaincy can and does flow back and forth during the kickback auction. My partner was rather shocked by that revelation.

Again perhaps updating my version of Kickback may have resolved this particular issue.

Alternatively, once all the keys are promised, and partner shows grand interest, with so much extra I may say What would Brink do here and just leap to the Grand. So far I have only promised around 16hcp.
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Posted Today, 08:28

As noted, we start 1C 1H 1N 2H 2S 3H

Opener has options. They do not include any serious or frivolous 3N. Over 3H I’d bid 3S, hoping to hear 4C. I could bid 4C myself but I’d prefer to let partner cue clubs if he can.

I like my hand for slam purposes on this auction, since the spade queen rates to be useful and I have a high card super max. Obviously Qx would be better but, apart from holding a small spade, I really couldn’t have a more suitable slam hand.
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