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Posted 2005-August-27, 21:33
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
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Posted 2005-August-27, 21:57
Pass. Must admit I can't imagine another bid, though certainly we could have a game.
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Posted 2005-August-27, 22:12
pass
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Posted 2005-August-27, 22:49
Difficult but I think I'm going to bid 2♦
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Posted 2005-August-27, 22:50
luis, on Aug 27 2005, 11:49 PM, said:
Difficult but I think I'm going to bid 2♦
you're forcing to game on a misfitting 9 count? wow.
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Posted 2005-August-27, 22:55
Well, vulnerable at IMPs I think I'd try 2NT. Hopefully partner can take a joke, and maybe opponents will misdefend.
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Posted 2005-August-27, 23:16
2NT for me, a slight overbid since it shows 10-12 hcp. Could be wrong, but we may still have up to 27 hcp between us (2♣ = 12-18 in my book). The vulnerability at IMPs is too tempting.
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Posted 2005-August-27, 23:33
Pass. Only alternative is 2NT with is not attractive on a soft misfitting 9-count. Remember, vulnerable also means 100 per trick.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2005-August-28, 00:33
Hannie, on Aug 28 2005, 12:33 AM, said:
Pass. Only alternative is 2NT with is not attractive on a soft misfitting 9-count. Remember, vulnerable also means 100 per trick.
exactly. When youre going down 3 vul the imp odds change
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Posted 2005-August-28, 01:07
Jlall, on Aug 28 2005, 04:50 AM, said:
luis, on Aug 27 2005, 11:49 PM, said:
Difficult but I think I'm going to bid 2♦
you're forcing to game on a misfitting 9 count? wow.
No, I'm going to pass 2nt. But I like a lot a 2♠ or 3♣ rebid by opener.
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Posted 2005-August-28, 01:31
If you like wierd bidding, you can try a 2♥ "preference", hoping pard can find a final move, to which you'd bid 3NT.
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Posted 2005-August-28, 04:09
I agree with the general conclusion: pass, and if you really want to bid something, bid 2NT.
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Posted 2005-August-28, 05:21
1) Pass.
2) Don't play 4th suit as GF.
Peter
2) Don't play 4th suit as GF.
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Posted 2005-August-28, 08:52
Scoring: MP
The full hands.
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Posted 2005-August-28, 09:50
would pass quickly.
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Posted 2005-August-28, 10:56
luis, on Aug 28 2005, 02:07 AM, said:
Jlall, on Aug 28 2005, 04:50 AM, said:
luis, on Aug 27 2005, 11:49 PM, said:
Difficult but I think I'm going to bid 2♦
you're forcing to game on a misfitting 9 count? wow.
No, I'm going to pass 2nt. But I like a lot a 2♠ or 3♣ rebid by opener.
ok so the plan is to GF then pass a forcing bid...got it :0
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Posted 2005-August-28, 12:21
2N. But I pass at MPs or nv/imps.
2C is a wide range and I don't want to pass when we could have 25 -27 between the hands.
Yes I realize that pard will carry on with a lot 14's.
Whereagles idea about the false preference of 2H is less crazy than it sounds.
2C is a wide range and I don't want to pass when we could have 25 -27 between the hands.
Yes I realize that pard will carry on with a lot 14's.
Whereagles idea about the false preference of 2H is less crazy than it sounds.
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Posted 2005-August-28, 13:05
I'm surprised somewhat that no one has commented on opener's bidding here.
There is some merit to opening the hand 1N instead of 1H when the rebid prospects are to rebid 2C with such a poor suit. Other rebids might be considered at least optional: 2H, emphasizing the suit and overall hand strength, and the second option is the distinct underbid of 1N, taking the low road approach.
Going well outside the box, I see another approach to these types of hands - exclusion rebids. On this hand, anyway, the auction 1H-1S-2D (exclusion) would allow the 2S contract to be reached. With only a doubleton as support, opener should not move toward game.
Other hands might be equally bid profitably this way: AJ10xx, Kxx, AQxx, x.
1S-1N-2C (exclusion)
When you are searching for a fit, you can only bid 1 but excluding 1 shows the other 2.
I know, I know. SERIOUSLY WEIRD.
Winston
There is some merit to opening the hand 1N instead of 1H when the rebid prospects are to rebid 2C with such a poor suit. Other rebids might be considered at least optional: 2H, emphasizing the suit and overall hand strength, and the second option is the distinct underbid of 1N, taking the low road approach.
Going well outside the box, I see another approach to these types of hands - exclusion rebids. On this hand, anyway, the auction 1H-1S-2D (exclusion) would allow the 2S contract to be reached. With only a doubleton as support, opener should not move toward game.
Other hands might be equally bid profitably this way: AJ10xx, Kxx, AQxx, x.
1S-1N-2C (exclusion)
When you are searching for a fit, you can only bid 1 but excluding 1 shows the other 2.
I know, I know. SERIOUSLY WEIRD.
Winston
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Posted 2005-August-28, 13:13
I'm changing my answer to Pass.
This aceless, misfitting 9 count with secondary honors opposite pards shortness is really a ***d.
2N while it might be right, rates to get us to an abysmal 3N.
This aceless, misfitting 9 count with secondary honors opposite pards shortness is really a ***d.
2N while it might be right, rates to get us to an abysmal 3N.
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Posted 2005-August-28, 22:01
Pass unless 2C is forcing.
Yes, I was wondering, too, why P didn't open with 1NT albeit off-shape. Probably wind up in either 2S or 2NT.
Yes, I was wondering, too, why P didn't open with 1NT albeit off-shape. Probably wind up in either 2S or 2NT.
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Auction with East/West passing:
N S
1♥ 1♠
2♣ ?
You play 4th suit as game forcing. Now what?