Rise (??) in cheating recently
#221
Posted 2011-February-03, 07:07
Really I don't see how anyone can say "I think maybe so and so was caught cheating but maybe I don't have the names right". Sure, and I think maybe your mother .... Oh yeah, that was someone else maybe.
#222
Posted 2011-February-03, 08:16
kenberg, on 2011-February-03, 07:07, said:
Saved as signature. wp sir.
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#223
Posted 2011-February-03, 09:23
On-line sites can easily implement cheat-diagnostic software that randomly injects specially constructed death-trap deals that provide an early-warning system. The software would automatically record, collate, and report anomalous successful outcomes by players/pairs on such deals. A series of such results would suggest further human investigation. Example deals:
- a poor game/slam makes on slender values because key cards lie well.
- an excellent game/slam fails because key cards all lie badly
- a game/slam makes on anti-percentage plays e.g. first round finesse for the queen with ten cards.
If the deliberate construction of such deals smacks of entrapment, then perhaps randomly dealt hands could be sifted for suitable candidates.
Psychological advantages of this process are that
- it is more convincing than accusing opponents after they've performed annoyingly well against you.
- it actively deters cheats, if publicised.
#224
Posted 2011-February-03, 09:41
- hrothgar
#225
Posted 2011-February-03, 12:34
Zelandakh, on 2011-February-03, 06:09, said:
As for the finger and foot-tapping incidents, the jury is still out on both. The Italians were not prosecuted for the accustaions (but dividers under the table were brought in and they were quickly dropped from international competition) while there are strong arguments, not to mention whole books, on both sides regarding Reese-Shapiro. Perhaps the most high-profile case of "cheating" in bridge in recent years came from the Norwegian League where the Hels were (loosely) involved in an incident of match fixing (fake score posted for a match that was not played). One of them was briefly suspended and missed a major event. I would also stress that no accusation of cheating at the table has been made here.
Since Helness was not involved in the Norwegian incident at all, maybe you should take your own advice and only make the accusation if you are very sure.
#226
Posted 2011-February-03, 13:48
If our ACBL ranks and tournament record were publicly available, it would be clear as a bell and would save us a lot of grief. We are entitled to our share of good results and balance that with some real stinkers. I can vouch for several pairs of the highest ethical standard in a similar situation. Has there been a rise in cheating or just unfounded allegations?
Maybe make this information available and make it mandatory to quote it in any complaints. It would save BBO staff time and perhaps cut a bunch of unfounded complaints off at the knees. None of us would mind being flagged or pre-alerting our same location status but that might just make the situation worse.
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#227
Posted 2011-February-03, 17:17
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#228
Posted 2011-February-04, 06:31
A beneficial side-effect of "early-warning" cheat-diagnostic software is that paranoid prima-donnas may come to realise that a couple of lucky results are unlikely to be accepted as proof that their opponents are cheats.
#229
Posted 2011-February-04, 06:30
nige1, on 2011-February-04, 06:31, said:
A beneficial side-effect of "early-warning" cheat-detection software is that paranoid prima donnas may come to realise that a couple of lucky results will not be accepted as conclusive proof that opponents are cheats.
Assigning reasonable behaviour to unreasonable people is probably the sign of an optimist.
#230
Posted 2011-February-04, 07:35
I ask them:
- what lead conventions do you use? (3/5, 4th best? other?)
- what signaling do you use? Attitude? Count? What discards?
Frequently the refuse to answer. I may restate the question to both of them, telling them I haven't receive an answer and need to know before I can play. I occasionally get booted for that. I don't call them names. I do say "its required by the laws of bridge to diclose your partnership agreements". That bets me ejected :-)
So I think deliberate non-disclosure of partnership agreements is quite common. That is a form of cheating, but no where near as bad as telling pard your cards.
#231
Posted 2011-February-04, 21:35
ArcLight, on 2011-February-04, 07:35, said:
Although it's against the rules, it's rarely what people mean when they accuse people of cheating. I'd refer to it as "not playing fair".
#232
Posted 2011-February-05, 00:33
barmar, on 2011-February-02, 22:44, said:
However, since the introduction of screens in high-level championships, I think we can be more confident that the greats are honest.
Correction! Wehn R-S were accused, found guilty AND LATER EXONERATED......
#234
Posted 2011-February-05, 02:37
mike777, on 2011-February-05, 01:52, said:
Yes they were. The British Federation held an inquiry and found the charges unproven. Please do not attempt to revise history.
#235
Posted 2011-February-05, 09:03
#236
Posted 2011-February-05, 11:49
the hog, on 2011-February-05, 02:37, said:
Many of the prosecution witnesses did not appear at the British retrial (I believe they were expected to attend at their own expense), and the so called acquittal was not recognised anywhere but in Britain, and certainly not by the body that convicted. Now, you can choose to believe whichever "court" you wish, to call the British result an "exoneration" is as much an attempt at rewriting history as the reverse.
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#237
Posted 2011-February-05, 22:17
Fluffy, on 2011-February-05, 09:03, said:
I do not believe it was 2 years in the end.
#238
Posted 2011-February-06, 00:27
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#239
Posted 2011-February-07, 09:43
qwery_hi, on 2011-February-06, 00:27, said:
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#240
Posted 2011-February-07, 11:05
"...we live off being battle-scarred veterans who manage to hate our opponents slightly more than we hate each other. -- Hamman, re: Wolff