[Winstonm]

Scoring: IMP

North deals: Playing 2/1 with fairly sound openings and responses and inverted minors.

1♣p p Dble
1S P ?

How much hand do you think partner has? What bid do you make and for what reason?

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[han]

I expect partner to have a decent hand (nice 15 pts should be enough) with at least 4-5 in the blacks. I would bid 3C, which is both preemptive and more encouraging than a "forced" 2C.

Now that partner has shown the black suits this hand is not that great.

[pbleighton]

2C.

Pd could have a dead minimum - if he is 4333 with three small clubs do you expect him to pass?

Peter

[mike777]

Winstonm, on Nov 20 2005, 03:12 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

North deals: Playing 2/1 with fairly sound openings and responses and inverted minors.

1♣p p Dble
1S P ?

How much hand do you think partner has?  What bid do you make and for what reason?

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Whether sound or lite openings, I respond 1H and get this hand off my chest.

1c=p=1h=p
1s=p=2c easy now if not play xyz or 2 way checkback, if so then now you got to choose between pass, 1nt or 3clubs. I would pick 1nt but......

1nt should be a cute Vul contract across from:
Kxxx
xx
Jxx
AKxx

[whereagles]

If pard is expected to have a 5-4 then 3♣ is par. Otherwise 1NT. I do have a max passed hand after all.

[Gerben42]

Agree with pass. 3♣ now, this is not catching up but just recognizing that for your pass you have a maximum and a good fit.

[P_Marlowe]

2C

No idea, what partner has and I dont
care, as long as he is 4-4.
I will compete to 3C, but maybe I buy
the contract with 2C.

The points is: Do we have game?
No, he would have opened stronger,
or rebid stronger, so why do I need to
jump or solve riddles. Give preferences
and wait how it develops.

Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

pbleighton, on Nov 20 2005, 03:20 PM, said:

2C.

Pd could have a dead minimum - if he is 4333 with three small clubs do you expect him to pass?

Peter

Yes, at least if he is 12-14.

Marlowe

[Robert]

Hello everyone

I would hold back a bit before leaping to 3Cs. Even 4-4 fits with AKxx in partner's hand will have a loser and his 4234 or 4324 hand would still have seven losers 'if' he is as good as AK AK.

I hope that the same people that leap to 3Cs are all playing a system where partner 'always' holds at least 4+ clubs. If he has some 3 card club holding, playing a 3C contract may give him ulcers. Qxx opposite xxxx
even AJxx opposite xxxx is no great prize.

Your 5HCP consist of a king and two Jacks.

I trust that your KJxx of hearts should keep overtricks down if the other pair bids hearts. Your four(?) card club support is a bit thin in honors. Honors in combination tned to increase in value.

Entry considerations might also be a problem.

Partner could have a decent hand and a 3C club might take away the bidding room that he needs to explore. Over a 2C raise, he can bid out his shape. If he shows a 4315 type, I will put the metal to the metal. If he shows a 4135 type, we might already be too high.

Partner might just be 'showing us a good lead' AKQx xx Q10x J10xx might want to duck out of clubs and into a fairly robust spade suit.

If your system methods indicate that partner has 4S and 5C everything should be fine. But are you sure that this treatment still holds after 1C-p-p ?

I would be interested in bidding 1S with AKJ10 xx K10x Jxxx as a possible lead directing bid or perhaps just to get in the way of red suit bids by the other pair.

Bidding a 4 card spade suit enables partner(you) to raise with 4 card support. A
2 spade contract might win all of the marbles for this hand. If opener is not allowed to show a good 4 card suit, how do we find our 4-4 spade fit?

System considerations would apply here. Playing KS I would be showing 15+ HCP with this auction. I might also be 4333 or 4234 or 4324 shape as well as with long clubs.

Playing my normal methods, a Big Club style. I would not have passed a 1C opening.

Regards,
Robert

[Fluffy]

3♣, that's where we belong with 9 trumps, or so I heard.

[pbleighton]

"Yes, at least if he is 12-14."

Why? This is suicide - you have three small trumps and a takeout double has been passed for penalty - why on earth would you sit still for a sure bad outcome? 1S may get thumped, but it's unlikely to be worse than 1C, and may well be better, or not doubled, or taken out by the opps.

Peter

[Kalvan14]

Scary hand. 1♣ doubled was taken out by opener to 1♠, and you want to jump to 3♣?
The 5 points you hold may not bring a trick, and your fit in ♣ consists of 4 small ones.
IMO best bid might be passing 1♠, and going back to 2♣ if oppos double for penalty.

[000002]

Alter ♥ k+j to Ace, propose 3♣ leap.

and: 1) a cue-bid 2♦ --mild invitation with black ACE ;
2) 2♥ cue-bid ---intense game with black Ace & doubleton ♠ & ♣ Jack

[han]

pbleighton, on Nov 20 2005, 08:08 PM, said:

"Yes, at least if he is 12-14."

Why? This is suicide - you have three small trumps and a takeout double has been passed for penalty - why on earth would you sit still for a sure bad outcome? 1S may get thumped, but it's unlikely to be worse than 1C, and may well be better, or not doubled, or taken out by the opps.

Peter

You misread the auction Peter.

[Winstonm]

Good discussion thus far. Now the question is what do you believe partner should have for his 1S bid in this auction - remember, the double is only a balancing double and as such doesn't have to hold all that much.

If fact, a number of bids in this auction need defined: what are:
Redouble.
1D/H/S
2C
3C

Winston

[FrancesHinden]

Clearly from the replies so far this becomes a matter for partnership agreement.

I play that 1D/H/S all promise 5(+) clubs and usually 4 of the suit bid (a 65 might well jump unless super-minimum).

Redouble is usually 18-19 balanced, inviting partner to compete.

2C shows good clubs, no extra values.
3C shows a very good hand with long clubs.

You missed out 1NT. What's the difference between redouble and 1NT?

[Fluffy]

1♠ shows a 2 suiter hand, wich means at least 5♣s.It doesn't show much more.

Opener psyches 3 card majors on this bidding quite frequently, but you shouldn't take it into consideration when making your bid.

[inquiry]

2♣. While I have four clubs (good), I have KJ of ♥, which are both badly placed on this auction, and should rate to be less than useful for parnter (sure, he could have Qx or Qxx of ♥, but he could have x or void too... I expect him to be 4-5 or 4-6 and strong, but my hand is not good for us here.

[joker_gib]

Fluffy, on Nov 21 2005, 03:54 PM, said:

1♠ shows a 2 suiter hand, wich means at least 5♣s.It doesn't show much more.

I agree !

That's why I prefer 1NT = 18-19 bal and Rdbl = points unbalanced

And I'd bid 2♣

[Al_U_Card]

I like 1NT (for the H lead) and pard can remove to 2C as he will "know" that I have at least 2S cards and at least 3C cards and less than 5 hcp.