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Lead against slam what do you lead?

Poll: Lead against slam (8 member(s) have cast votes)

Lead against slam

  1. Diamond A (2 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. Club A (2 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  3. Other (4 votes [50.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

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#1 User is offline   Trumpace 

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Posted 2007-August-03, 14:14

You hold:
xxxxx, xxx, Axx, AT

RHO is dealer (opps are playing sayc) and bidding goes (you and pard are silent)

2C - 2D - 2H - 2S - 2NT - 6C.

What do you lead against the 6C contract?
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Posted 2007-August-03, 14:26

I forgot to add: If possible, please explain your reasoning too.
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Posted 2007-August-03, 14:32

Spoiler

Philosophy consists very largely of one philosopher arguing that other philosophers are all jackasses. He usually proves it, and I should add that he also usually proves that he is one himself. H.L. Mencken.
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Posted 2007-August-03, 14:34

I guess I lead a spade and hope partner can ruff the second round of the suit...

I am not brave (foolish?) enough to lead my ace. If it was cashing, then hopefully I will have time later...
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Posted 2007-August-03, 14:36

I haven't decided on this one yet. Just some initial thoughts.

If the A is cashing, then it will also be cashing after we cash the A. However, what information are we going to be able to use after cashing the A that will help us in deciding whether the A cashes.

Cashing the A might give away the trump suit entirely if partner has say, Jxx. I don't think this is a great possibility.

So as of now, I'm leading the A, but await other's thoughts.
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Posted 2007-August-03, 14:47

Two lines of thougth:

1. Spade, hoping to find partner short. I expect north to be something like 6-6 in the black suits. South bid notrump, so probably isn't void in spades. Maybe partner will be.

2. Ace of diamonds. 6-6 in blacks leaves north with 1 red card at most. If it's a heart singleton, my Ace may be ruffed setting up south's diamonds. If it's a diamond singleton, maybe I need to cash it now, before it goes away on south's heart ace. Hmmmm..

Ace of diamonds seems like it would be right half the time. Partner being out of spades seems a bit more likely than that to me, of the two.

Given the auction, it's also not impossible that partner isn't broke. The ace of diamonds might not be our last chance.

It feels like a bit of a coin toss, but count me down for a spade lead.

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Posted 2007-August-04, 12:32

I was hoping to get more responses to this. Anyway, been just a day :)
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Posted 2007-August-04, 12:55

vuroth, on Aug 3 2007, 03:47 PM, said:

6-6 in blacks leaves north with 1 red card at most.

If responder indeed has 6-6 in the blacks and opener has indeed a balanced hand (as his NT bid promised), isn't your partner necessarily void in spades?

NB - The non-barking dog theory - responder jumped to a slam without asking for Aces. Maybe they don't have the methods for this (although most would use 4 Gerber over a natural 2NT call by opener), or maybe ... responder is void and therefore ace-asking won't help him.

My only fear in leading a spade is that responder is 5-0-1-7, with a stiff diamond. And that Opener is 2-5-3-3, leaving my partner with both a singleton trump and a singleton spade. Opener will (1) win the opening lead, (2) lead his Ace of hearts and ditch dummy's singleton diamond, then (3) lead a trump, which I will win and try to give partner a spade ruff, but partner can't ruff as he had only one trump to begin with.

But I'm still leading the spade! I judge the chances for this working better than the alternative....
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Posted 2007-August-04, 13:12

I am convinced a spade is the best shot. The only real way I think it doesn't work is if RHO is 1444 and spades are 6-1-1 around the table.
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Posted 2007-August-04, 16:25

Its very close. I think the A or a spade could both work. It doesn't sound like LHO has heart support, so a probably cashes. LHO could be 6=2=0=5 however.

A diamond is all or nothing however, and a spade could still allow us to cash a .
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Posted 2007-August-04, 17:47

A can never be right, A must be better - if the A cashes, you can see that, and if not, you can still hope that spades are 5-6-0-2 around the table. In fact I start to like the lead of the Trumpace.
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Posted 2007-August-04, 19:32

cherdano, on Aug 4 2007, 06:47 PM, said:

<snip> In fact I start to like the lead of the Trumpace.

lol :)
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