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The only time I would pass in a sequence like this is if I responded on something really ugly: Qxxx, xxx, x, xxxxx in an effort to improve the contract of 1♦.
The subject hand is much better.
what's your bid after partner reverse
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Posted 2007-August-04, 12:01
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Posted 2007-August-04, 12:02
jillybean2, on Aug 4 2007, 06:37 PM, said:
Playing standard methods I have shown 6 in response to my partners opening bid. Having overbid in the first round I don't want to encourage partner further, we have a 4-3 fit 
If you have discussed this with p, ok. Then when p has the occasional 10 playing tricks plus ♥J and 7♦ is cold it's just an accident.
But in general, passing a forcing bid is one of the most devastating things you can do to a partnership. I don't think it's a good idea to do it without discussion, unless it's a pick-up p with whom you don't want to play again anyway,
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Posted 2007-August-04, 12:27
jocdelevat, on Aug 4 2007, 10:07 AM, said:
Surprinsing we still got.1.1 imps.
Don't rely on the IMP score you get in MBC! If you get a good score it does not mean you have played well. Similary a bad score does not mean you played badly.
Just ignore the score and look at the hand without bias. A good result does not justify bad decisions, especially the IMP score in MBC.
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Posted 2007-August-04, 12:40
jillybean2, on Aug 4 2007, 10:37 AM, said:
Playing standard methods I have shown 6 in response to my partners opening bid. Having overbid in the first round I don't want to encourage partner further, we have a 4-3 fit
Kathryn, this hand is suddenly better than 6 points, because KQx in partner's second suit is a great holding. If partner puts us in game, I expect it to be decent.
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Posted 2007-August-04, 13:58
cherdano, on Aug 4 2007, 11:40 AM, said:
jillybean2, on Aug 4 2007, 10:37 AM, said:
Playing standard methods I have shown 6 in response to my partners opening bid. Having overbid in the first round I don't want to encourage partner further, we have a 4-3 fit
Kathryn, this hand is suddenly better than 6 points, because KQx in partner's second suit is a great holding. If partner puts us in game, I expect it to be decent.
Perhaps, I think with a 4-3 fit and ~22points we won't be missing too many games.
As a general rule I'm not saying pass forcing bids, I think this is an exception.
imo its an ugly hand, we responded with less than a minimum and we have no agreements to show a weak hand now. Better part score than a minus when we end up in a bad game.
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare, it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
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Posted 2007-August-04, 15:08
1) it is important to have some way to show a weak hand in response to PD's reverse.
2) Playing SA PD's reverse may be just short of a 2♣ opener. How do you know that PD doesn't have 20 or 21 HCP not suitable for opening 2NT.
In the actual hand PD had 18 HCP and game makes !
I recommend Leb after NT openings, your doubles of their weak 2's, and your reverses. It is not that complicated and I find that having Leb in the arsenal really helps reduce the effective of the opp's 2♠ and even 2♥ openings since when you respond at the 3 level you actually have some cards.
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2) Playing SA PD's reverse may be just short of a 2♣ opener. How do you know that PD doesn't have 20 or 21 HCP not suitable for opening 2NT.
In the actual hand PD had 18 HCP and game makes !
I recommend Leb after NT openings, your doubles of their weak 2's, and your reverses. It is not that complicated and I find that having Leb in the arsenal really helps reduce the effective of the opp's 2♠ and even 2♥ openings since when you respond at the 3 level you actually have some cards.
.. neilkaz ..
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Posted 2007-August-04, 16:40
jillybean2, on Aug 4 2007, 02:58 PM, said:
cherdano, on Aug 4 2007, 11:40 AM, said:
jillybean2, on Aug 4 2007, 10:37 AM, said:
Playing standard methods I have shown 6 in response to my partners opening bid. Having overbid in the first round I don't want to encourage partner further, we have a 4-3 fit
Kathryn, this hand is suddenly better than 6 points, because KQx in partner's second suit is a great holding. If partner puts us in game, I expect it to be decent.
Perhaps, I think with a 4-3 fit and ~22points we won't be missing too many games.
As a general rule I'm not saying pass forcing bids, I think this is an exception.
imo its an ugly hand, we responded with less than a minimum and we have no agreements to show a weak hand now. Better part score than a minus when we end up in a bad game.
Jilly,
Arend isn't talking about just a heart contract.
After the 2H bid by pard, your hand has become better than sub-minimum. Your hand is likely worth 2 extra tricks to partner, in either a diamond or an NT contract.
One definitely should not pass with this hand given the bidding as it developed.