[Trumpace]

I believe Omar Sharif's book has a hand with this kind of a problem.

Since I don't remember the hand, but only the idea, I made this hand up. Please pardon any goofs. If someone remembers that hand, please post that.

You hold 2, T976, J432, K432


RHO opens bidding:

(1S) - P - (4H)* - P
(4N)* - P - (5H)* - P
(6S) - P - P - X
All pass.

4H - singleton
4NT - some form of Ace ask.
5H - 2 keycards (likely side A and trump King) and no spade Q.

Partner doubles (lightner) the final 6S contract.

What would you lead?

[TylerE]

♥6

[goobers]

ahhhhhhhh

[neilkaz]

Lightner Double, I lead a ♥ to PD's ace and wait for him to later collect his natural trump trick.

[TylerE]

Important question: Is the 4H bid *exactly* a singleton or could it be a void?

[cherdano]

Lightner Double for heart lead?? Why didn't he double 5♥??
I lead a diamond to partner's void. If his void is in clubs, I might still get my ♣K later.

[kenrexford]

What? We have an agreement where partner MUST double 5♥, so the opponents can stop in a making 5♠, instead of waiting until they bid 6♠, so we can set them? Seems like a bad agreement.

I lead a heart.

[Trumpace]

TylerE, on Aug 9 2007, 02:20 PM, said:

Important question: Is the 4H bid *exactly* a singleton or could it be a void?

Yes. Exact singleton.

[Trumpace]

kenrexford, on Aug 9 2007, 02:40 PM, said:

What? We have an agreement where partner MUST double 5♥, so the opponents can stop in a making 5♠, instead of waiting until they bid 6♠, so we can set them? Seems like a bad agreement.

I lead a heart.

What about a double of the 4♥ bid? Pard does not know they are going to be in slam. He might as well get his ♥A before the singleton goes away on some suit of declarer's. Is that reasonable?

[ralph23]

Trumpace, on Aug 9 2007, 02:43 PM, said:

TylerE, on Aug 9 2007, 02:20 PM, said:

Important question: Is the 4H bid *exactly* a singleton or could it be a void?

Yes. Exact singleton.

So what do you bid as responder with a void? You can't make the double jump shift as that claims a singleton.

We play splinters show either 1 or zero.

[Trumpace]

ralph23, on Aug 9 2007, 03:19 PM, said:

Trumpace, on Aug 9 2007, 02:43 PM, said:

TylerE, on Aug 9 2007, 02:20 PM, said:

Important question: Is the 4H bid *exactly* a singleton or could it be a void?

Yes. Exact singleton.

So what do you bid as responder with a void? You can't make the double jump shift as that claims a singleton.

We play splinters show either 1 or zero.

I don't know... ask the opps

Look, I tried to make this problem up to get across a nice lead problem.
So, please go ahead and assume that is the case.

Sorry if the bidding is totally confusing/not completely logical.

If someone gets the point I am trying to get across and remembers the actual hand from Omar Sharif's book, please post it here.

[ralph23]

Trumpace, on Aug 9 2007, 03:23 PM, said:

ralph23, on Aug 9 2007, 03:19 PM, said:

Trumpace, on Aug 9 2007, 02:43 PM, said:

TylerE, on Aug 9 2007, 02:20 PM, said:

Important question: Is the 4H bid *exactly* a singleton or could it be a void?

Yes. Exact singleton.

So what do you bid as responder with a void? You can't make the double jump shift as that claims a singleton.

We play splinters show either 1 or zero.

I don't know... ask the opps

Look, I tried to make this problem up to get across a nice lead problem.
So, please go ahead and assume that is the case.

Sorry if the bidding is totally confusing/not completely logical.

If someone gets the point I am trying to get across and remembers the actual hand from Omar Sharif's book, please post it here.

I know how hard it is to make up problems. I have the same difficulty myself, every time. And am in complete sympathy with all bridge-problem-creators, believe me.

The point is, we (as defenders) don't know if the splinter shows 1 or zero ♥. It could be either. So, that's the answer to Tyler's question: "We're not sure. Shows either 0 or 1."

Don't just tell him responder's hand ! We're not as defenders entitled to know what responder actually has; only what their agreements are.

This post has been edited by ralph23: 2007-August-09, 14:59

[skjaeran]

Heartlead???

Partner is obviously void in one of the minors and has got an ace in addition, and hopes I can diagnose his void due to disparity in my minor suit lenghts. Unfortunately I can't, but I'm not dead yet.

I'll lead the ♣K. If partner is void in ♦'s and has got the ♣A I'll still be on lead to give him his ♦ ruff. If I hit the void he'll ruff my king and cash his ace.

[Trumpace]

ralph23, on Aug 9 2007, 03:56 PM, said:

I know how hard it is to make up problems. I have the same difficulty myself, every time. And am in complete sympathy with all bridge-problem-creators, believe me.

The point is, we (as defenders) don't know if the splinter shows 1 or zero ♥. It could be either. So, that's the answer to Tyler's question: "We're not sure. Shows either 0 or 1."

Don't just tell him responder's hand ! We're not as defenders entitled to know what responder actually has; only what their agreements are.

No, I am not telling you the responders hand. All I am saying is the 4♥ promises an exact singleton (that is _the_ agreement). Perhaps they have other methods of showing a void. Who knows?

Anyway...

[Trumpace]

skaeran, on Aug 9 2007, 03:57 PM, said:

Heartlead???

Partner is obviously void in one of the minors and has got an ace in addition, and hopes I can diagnose his void due to disparity in my minor suit lenghts. Unfortunately I can't, but I'm not dead yet.

I'll lead the ♣K. If partner is void in ♦'s and has got the ♣A I'll still be on lead to give him his ♦ ruff. If I hit the void he'll ruff my king and cash his ace.

Excellent!

That was the intent of this problem. I hope people are convinced

[goobers]

Trumpace, on Aug 9 2007, 04:04 PM, said:

skaeran, on Aug 9 2007, 03:57 PM, said:

Heartlead???

Partner is obviously void in one of the minors and has got an ace in addition, and hopes I can diagnose his void due to disparity in my minor suit lenghts. Unfortunately I can't, but I'm not dead yet.

I'll lead the ♣K. If partner is void in ♦'s and has got the ♣A I'll still be on lead to give him his ♦ ruff. If I hit the void he'll ruff my king and cash his ace.

Excellent!

That was the intent of this problem. I hope people are convinced

Oh, awesome.

[cherdano]

Jlall, on Aug 9 2007, 04:17 PM, said:

The king of clubs is a lead that every beginner should find.

Thanks.♥

[ralph23]

Trumpace, on Aug 9 2007, 04:02 PM, said:

ralph23, on Aug 9 2007, 03:56 PM, said:

I know how hard it is to make up problems. I have the same difficulty myself, every time. And am in complete sympathy with all bridge-problem-creators, believe me. 

The point is, we (as defenders) don't know if the splinter shows 1 or zero ♥. It could be either. So, that's the answer to Tyler's question: "We're not sure. Shows either 0 or 1."

Don't just tell him responder's hand ! We're not as defenders entitled to know what responder actually has; only what their agreements are.

No, I am not telling you the responders hand. All I am saying is the 4♥ promises an exact singleton (that is _the_ agreement). Perhaps they have other methods of showing a void. Who knows?

Anyway...

OH, ok they've got a method for showing a specific singleton, and no method for showing a void. These hypothetical good-card holders !!

[Trumpace]

ralph23, on Aug 9 2007, 05:18 PM, said:

<snip>
OH, ok they've got a method for showing a specific singleton, and no method for showing a void. These hypothetical good-card holders !!

I never said they have no method to show a void. It is just that I don't know about it, and didn't bother to ask them (lol inspite of them being figments of my imagination).