[jim420]

Scoring: IMP

W N E S
1♥ 1♠ 2♥ 2♠
4♥ X P P
XX P P ?

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Do you run or pass?
Any reason behind?

[mike777]

jim420, on Aug 10 2007, 07:03 AM, said:

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> West </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> N/S </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> A854 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td>  </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> AT952 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> 9752 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> W N E S
1♥ 1♠ 2♥ 2♠
4♥ X P P
XX P P ? </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

Do you run or pass?
Any reason behind?

I do not understand I bid 2s with this hand? Why not 4H the first time?
I do wonder how partner can double 4H when I may have zero defensive tricks or maybe 1/2 of one.

[jtfanclub]

jim420, on Aug 10 2007, 07:03 AM, said:

Dealer: West Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP

♠ A854 ♥   ♦ AT952 ♣ 9752

W N E S 1♥ 1♠ 2♥ 2♠ 4♥ X P P XX P P ?

Do you run or pass?
Any reason behind?

I know I'm not the average person here, but I will happily bid 2♠ with 0 defensive tricks, and I think most people will do it with one. I have two. Even minus one for the heart void, I still have as much as partner could reasonably hope for me to have. I'm passing. Heck, the X to me implies a 4 card overcall with heart length, so partner's screaming for me to NOT bid 4♠.

This is kind of odd, since, I'd be seriously tempted to bid 4♠ directly over 2♥. But for some reason I sandbagged, and now it's paid off.

[hotShot]

pass

Why did partner X 4♥ and did not leave the choice to you? Your partner expects to make a a few tricks himself and your minimum is 2 aces that should make 2 tricks.

[FrancesHinden]

The difficulty is that you seriously misbid your hand with the 2S call last round. Your hand was worth bidding game in spades, and arguably worth 4H (splinter).

You have given yourself an impossible problem by bidding 2S, which showed a very different type of hand.

[P_Marlowe]

Why?

Do I have less than I have promised?

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I agree, that 2S is an underbid, take away
both Aces and 2S is still right.

[helene_t]

Are you all assuming that p's doubl is pure penalty?

Even if it is, I bid 4♠. If p hase a 5-card hearts, I'll have to apology for my 2♠ bid.

[Gerben42]

Quote

PS: I agree, that 2S is an underbid, take away
both Aces and 2S is still right.

No, take away both aces and you have to bid 3♠ (this is not invitational in a competetive auction)

It's hard to think of a hand that would bid 2♠ with this distribution. Maybe a really quacky one (Quack = Queen or Jack).

[jtfanclub]

Gerben42, on Aug 10 2007, 07:57 AM, said:

No, take away both aces and you have to bid 3♠ (this is not invitational in a competetive auction)

Wrong vul, wrong placement. After the meager 2♥ raise, you have to assume partner's got some hearts, and probably a slow trick or two there. Even if they have game, -500 is going to be bad.

Otherwise, I would agree. At any rate, this hand should have gone for game the first time. Now, I'll take the 1000.

[ralph23]

I way underbid the first time with 2♠, and now it's paid off !! Bridge is funny in that sometimes your mistakes turn out well for you and this is one of those times.

I can't imagine what XX was based on, maybe a spade void, but I still have an Ace, and partner's got a good hand with a big surprise for declarer in trumps.

[skjaeran]

jim420, on Aug 10 2007, 02:03 PM, said:

Do you run or pass?

Run from what?
I don't expect them to make, so I'll pass happily.

[Walddk]

I would also have been in a spade game long time ago, but as the auction progressed maybe I should be glad that I did not bid at the 4-level. It seems like partner has wasted values in hearts, so passing now is clear.

Advancer promised zero on defence and is looking at two tricks opposite a partner who penalised them in 4♥. What more can you ask for?

Roland

[jdonn]

skaeran, on Aug 10 2007, 11:01 AM, said:

jim420, on Aug 10 2007, 02:03 PM, said:

Do you run or pass?

Run from what?
I don't expect them to make, so I'll pass happily.

WOW! Most people except Justin (hehe) don't make random redoubles. Are you saying the opponents are insane? If people started doing that I would have to reevaluate, but in real life they just don't. I think this auction has gone great, now I get doubled in 4♠ which is what I would have wanted all along. Seems like 2♠ was sand bagging and 4♠ last round would have completed the plan.

[hotShot]

jdonn, on Aug 10 2007, 06:17 PM, said:

Are you saying the opponents are insane?

Not really, but ......
it's either that or partner is deliberately ending this partnership.

[ralph23]

hotShot, on Aug 10 2007, 11:34 AM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 10 2007, 06:17 PM, said:

Are you saying the opponents are insane?

Not really, but ......
it's either that or partner is deliberately ending this partnership.

I think they are a bit insane, yes. At least on BBO, I see redoubles like this with some regularity (not frequency, mind you, but sometimes they do occur).

I really don't know what motivates them. I think however it's an emotional and not a logical motivation.

[pclayton]

It really depends on my pard and my opponents.

If I trusted my pard, I'm not running. If I trust neither I bid 4♠.

If I trust my LHO more than my pard, I'm wondering why I'm playing with the guy across the table and not my LHO

If I trust both, this auction doesn't exist.

[jtfanclub]

pclayton, on Aug 10 2007, 11:50 AM, said:

If I trust both, this auction doesn't exist.

I think it's RHO that's fooling around. LHO is expecting 3 hearts and an 8 count, and in fact RHO has 2 hearts and a 3 count. The vulnerability is such that RHO may have felt it was safe to get cute.

Edited to add:
LHO has something like:
x
AKJ8xx
KJx
AKx

or slightly less, which looks absolutely unbeatable across a constructive raise.

When partner shows up with

KQJx
QT9xx
Qxx
x

And dummy
Txxx
xx
xx
QJTxx

LHO is not happy.

[neilkaz]

I would have bid 4♠ on my first call to put the opps to the last guess.

Here, I think PD has 5 H or 4 and honors stacked behind opener.

I have two aces, the ♦ surely cashes and inspite of the xx, the ♠ may cash.

I respect PD and pass.

[skjaeran]

jdonn, on Aug 10 2007, 06:17 PM, said:

skaeran, on Aug 10 2007, 11:01 AM, said:

jim420, on Aug 10 2007, 02:03 PM, said:

Do you run or pass?

Run from what?
I don't expect them to make, so I'll pass happily.

WOW! Most people except Justin (hehe) don't make random redoubles. Are you saying the opponents are insane? If people started doing that I would have to reevaluate, but in real life they just don't. I think this auction has gone great, now I get doubled in 4♠ which is what I would have wanted all along. Seems like 2♠ was sand bagging and 4♠ last round would have completed the plan.

I agree on that for sure, but most people don't make random(insane?) penalty double facing a partner who hasn't promised any defence either. So I'll trust my partner. I'd obviously had bid more previously, but can't be sure we're making game. As JTF I expect RHO to be the culprit on this occasion.

[jdonn]

pclayton, on Aug 10 2007, 11:50 AM, said:

If I trust both, this auction doesn't exist.

It's called voids. And this hand will have more than one of them. It's true I'll admit it, if LHO is off his rocker he got me.