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Sanity Check

Poll: Sanity Check (61 member(s) have cast votes)

Sanity Check

  1. Forcing (48 votes [78.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 78.69%

  2. Non-Forcing (13 votes [21.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.31%

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Posted 2008-January-21, 22:41

1♠ DBL RDBL 2♣
P P 3♠
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Posted 2008-January-21, 22:53

Making sure i am reading this correctly. Partner of 1♠ opener redoubled and then jumped in spades? Is this a serious question? (yes 3♣ cue bid is available, but come on).. this is forcing.
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Posted 2008-January-21, 23:12

inquiry, on Jan 22 2008, 11:53 AM, said:

Making sure i am reading this correctly. Partner of 1♠ opener redoubled and then jumped in spades? Is this a serious question? (yes 3♣ cue bid is available, but come on).. this is forcing.

Very odd as most would play a 2NT bid by the redoubler as showing a limit raise +. I guess its forcing, but I must admit this is a bid that would not exist with any of my partners.
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Posted 2008-January-21, 23:23

GF 3-card raise.
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Posted 2008-January-21, 23:37

You can ignore the question. I always knew it was forcing but my partner passed. That wouldn't matter to me since it's someone who might not have known, but then I asked someone I respect a LOT and he said not forcing, so I posted the question. It turned out someone else was using his login :)
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Posted 2008-January-22, 00:32

even I wouldn't pass that, who has passed an exclusion BW after agreeing trumps.
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Posted 2008-January-22, 03:28

Doesn't sound forcing to me.
That's what comes of living in a limit bidding culture.
Sounds like a limit raise with trhee trumps and poor clubs.

You can always bid 3C to force if you want.
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Posted 2008-January-22, 03:44

Not forcing, a direct 2♠ would be quite weak so rdbl followed by 2♠ would be less than a limit raise.
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Posted 2008-January-22, 04:32

Hi,

I voted forcing, but playing with a stranger,
dont be surprised if he passes.

Usually the XX denies fit, at least in a regular
partnership, so the given sequence does not
even exist.
But if one does play with a pick up, one may
well go via XX to show a limit raise, espesially,
if one fears that a jump raise would be
interpreted as preemptive.

I have used this way several times, and I was
prepared to apologize.

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Posted 2008-January-22, 04:56

I dunno if it's forcing or not, but I'd be too scared to pass as opener :) ;) :)
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Posted 2008-January-22, 05:29

To me it sounds like a 3 card limit raise (i.e non Forcing)...but then I learned my bridge in Acol land so probably need a sanity check.

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Posted 2008-January-22, 06:47

gwnn, on Jan 22 2008, 08:32 AM, said:

even I wouldn't pass that, who has passed an exclusion BW after agreeing trumps.

I think it was your partner's fault, it's not common to play exclusion in the trump suit.
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Posted 2008-January-22, 10:13

Forcing of course. TWO spades is damn near forcing in my book.
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Posted 2008-January-22, 10:24

200% forcing

Redouble then jump equals slam try.
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Posted 2008-January-22, 10:45

So with a slammish or GF hand with ♠ support it is correct to redouble?
Would it not allow opponents to prempt Say 4NT or something?
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Posted 2008-January-22, 10:53

helene_t, on Jan 22 2008, 04:44 AM, said:

Not forcing, a direct 2♠ would be quite weak so rdbl followed by 2♠ would be less than a limit raise.

Huh. How I play it is...

Immediate 2♠...pre-emptive 2-3 card raise.
Immediate 2NT...limit+ 4 card raise.
Immediate 3♠...pre-emptive 4 card raise.
XX followed by 2♠...Limit 2 card raise
XX followed by 2NT...Limit+ 3 card raise
XX followed by 3♣....choice of games, do not have opp's suit stopped for NT.
XX followed by 3♠...choice of games, includes opp's suit well stopped.
XX followed by 3NT...GF with 2 card support.

Choice of Games includes hands with a slam try.

No idea if this is standard or not.
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Posted 2008-January-22, 11:45

1♠-x-2♠ as a possible doubleton sounds horrible
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Posted 2008-January-22, 11:53

gwnn, on Jan 22 2008, 12:45 PM, said:

1♠-x-2♠ as a possible doubleton sounds horrible

You need one more trick outside of trumps, but I don't really want to debate it here. Just pretend I said pre-emptive 3 card raise there.
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Posted 2008-January-22, 12:10

The_Hog, on Jan 21 2008, 11:12 PM, said:

inquiry, on Jan 22 2008, 11:53 AM, said:

Making sure i am reading this correctly. Partner of 1♠ opener redoubled and then jumped in spades? Is this a serious question? (yes 3♣ cue bid is available, but come on).. this is forcing.

Very odd as most would play a 2NT bid by the redoubler as showing a limit raise +. I guess its forcing, but I must admit this is a bid that would not exist with any of my partners.

I think many play 2N as limit+ raise with four trumps. At least I do.
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Posted 2008-January-22, 12:14

cherdano, on Jan 22 2008, 07:10 PM, said:

The_Hog, on Jan 21 2008, 11:12 PM, said:

inquiry, on Jan 22 2008, 11:53 AM, said:

Making sure i am reading this correctly. Partner of 1♠ opener redoubled and then jumped in spades? Is this a serious question? (yes 3♣ cue bid is available, but come on).. this is forcing.

Very odd as most would play a 2NT bid by the redoubler as showing a limit raise +. I guess its forcing, but I must admit this is a bid that would not exist with any of my partners.

I think many play 2N as limit+ raise with four trumps. At least I do.

So do I... and all I know.
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