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You pick up the best hand you'll hold all year:
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
Bidding plan with monster
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Posted 2008-February-12, 11:15
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Posted 2008-February-12, 11:22
7NT.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 11:52
pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 06:15 PM, said:
You pick up the best hand you'll hold all year:
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
That's not a monster.
AKQJ76 AKQ A8 AK is a monster, which came up in our Premier League last weekend. With partner holding the ♦K all ten pairs scored 1510/1520.
Kind regards,
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Posted 2008-February-12, 11:56
skaeran, on Feb 12 2008, 09:52 AM, said:
pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 06:15 PM, said:
You pick up the best hand you'll hold all year:
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
That's not a monster.
AKQJ76 AKQ A8 AK is a monster, which came up in our Premier League last weekend. With partner holding the ♦K all ten pairs scored 1510/1520.
That's not a monster either. That's Godzilla!
I'll bet you you don't see another 30 point hand in 10 years Harald
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Posted 2008-February-12, 12:03
helene_t, on Feb 12 2008, 12:22 PM, said:
7NT.
If IMPs, and partner has a balanced hand or one that can support hearts, 7♥.
Otherwise, yeah, 7NT.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 12:04
pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 12:15 PM, said:
You pick up the best hand you'll hold all year:
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
Show spades and diamonds, drag partner to 7NT, and hope I get a chance to redouble.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 12:09
Bid hearts, if no raise then 7NT, else ask about partner's club holding to choose between 7NT and 7♥.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 12:15
7NT. I'm pretty sure I can read opps' cards to know what to do with clubs.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 12:23
whereagles, on Feb 12 2008, 01:15 PM, said:
7NT. I'm pretty sure I can read opps' cards to know what to do with clubs.
I suppose partner had something like ♠Axxxxx ♥Txx ♦xxx ♣A.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 12:31
TimG, on Feb 12 2008, 06:23 PM, said:
whereagles, on Feb 12 2008, 01:15 PM, said:
7NT. I'm pretty sure I can read opps' cards to know what to do with clubs.
I suppose partner had something like ♠Axxxxx ♥Txx ♦xxx ♣A.
just what I was expecting. Someone coming in with the "worst case scenario" hand...
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Posted 2008-February-12, 12:36
TimG, on Feb 12 2008, 01:04 PM, said:
pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 12:15 PM, said:
You pick up the best hand you'll hold all year:
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
Show spades and diamonds, drag partner to 7NT, and hope I get a chance to redouble.
DING DING DING, we have a winner... I like this.....
--Ben--
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Posted 2008-February-12, 12:38
inquiry, on Feb 12 2008, 10:36 AM, said:
TimG, on Feb 12 2008, 01:04 PM, said:
pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 12:15 PM, said:
You pick up the best hand you'll hold all year:
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
Show spades and diamonds, drag partner to 7NT, and hope I get a chance to redouble.
DING DING DING, we have a winner... I like this.....
I'll be da judge of that.
We don't.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 14:52
pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 06:56 PM, said:
skaeran, on Feb 12 2008, 09:52 AM, said:
pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 06:15 PM, said:
You pick up the best hand you'll hold all year:
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
That's not a monster.
AKQJ76 AKQ A8 AK is a monster, which came up in our Premier League last weekend. With partner holding the ♦K all ten pairs scored 1510/1520.
That's not a monster either. That's Godzilla!
I'll bet you you don't see another 30 point hand in 10 years Harald
I wasn't playing in the Premier League
, so I only have that one second hand.
Kind regards,
Harald
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Posted 2008-February-12, 15:03
pclayton, on Feb 12 2008, 12:15 PM, said:
You pick up the best hand you'll hold all year:
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
♠Kx ♥AKQJxx ♦AK ♣KJT
You open 2♣. What is your strategy over a response that shows 4 controls?
i sign off in 4♥ expecting p forgot system or something
what's my cheapest available heart bid atm?
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Posted 2008-February-12, 15:33
Agree with matmat, 3♥ and see what happens. Very likely that I will sign off in 7NT.
It may seem that the system worked well but this is an illusion. We are a level higher than most and there are excellent methods to find out about those two aces later.
It may seem that the system worked well but this is an illusion. We are a level higher than most and there are excellent methods to find out about those two aces later.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 15:39
I toyed with the idea of showing both doubletons as real suits, but the auction will usually time out badly for that to be done comfortably. Plus when we use keycard (if we do) and bid 7N after a Q denial and an opp is looking at QJx(x) or so in the suit, he will know that we are kidding.
So the options appear to be:
1) play straight up, and bid hearts and hope to find out enough to make an informed decision
2) blast 7N now and hope for a good dummy, or a friendly club lead, or a good guess
3) bid clubs, in the hope of getting raised, and asking for the Queen of clubs ... downsides are that he may show me the Queen with 'extra' length, and that this is the best way both to (usually) prevent a club lead or to avoid a defensive error.
I go for the blast... 7N. Given that this is anywhere from cold to about a 50-50 proposition (I exclude the nightmare stiff A of clubs), this seems right to me. I hope the opps are either tired or not true experts... they may get confused on the count when I run my hearts.. or may find that they have a choice of Queens to unguard.
So the options appear to be:
1) play straight up, and bid hearts and hope to find out enough to make an informed decision
2) blast 7N now and hope for a good dummy, or a friendly club lead, or a good guess
3) bid clubs, in the hope of getting raised, and asking for the Queen of clubs ... downsides are that he may show me the Queen with 'extra' length, and that this is the best way both to (usually) prevent a club lead or to avoid a defensive error.
I go for the blast... 7N. Given that this is anywhere from cold to about a 50-50 proposition (I exclude the nightmare stiff A of clubs), this seems right to me. I hope the opps are either tired or not true experts... they may get confused on the count when I run my hearts.. or may find that they have a choice of Queens to unguard.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 15:48
What are you guys smoking with this 7N stuff? How can 7N stand out over 7H, what if we can just ruff a club in dummy for our 13th trick, or ruff out the spades in dummy for our 13th trick, or combine ruffing out the SQ with clubs if partner has AJxx of spades, or... etc etc.
Jumping to 7N is beyond horrible and getting to 7N if partner shows anything other than a black queen in some auction is beyond horrible. There is no rush, just start with 3H and expect to get to 7H unless something interesting happens.
Jumping to 7N is beyond horrible and getting to 7N if partner shows anything other than a black queen in some auction is beyond horrible. There is no rush, just start with 3H and expect to get to 7H unless something interesting happens.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 16:05
Jlall, on Feb 12 2008, 04:48 PM, said:
What are you guys smoking with this 7N stuff? How can 7N stand out over 7H, what if we can just ruff a club in dummy for our 13th trick, or ruff out the spades in dummy for our 13th trick, or combine ruffing out the SQ with clubs if partner has AJxx of spades, or... etc etc.
Jumping to 7N is beyond horrible and getting to 7N if partner shows anything other than a black queen in some auction is beyond horrible. There is no rush, just start with 3H and expect to get to 7H unless something interesting happens.
Jumping to 7N is beyond horrible and getting to 7N if partner shows anything other than a black queen in some auction is beyond horrible. There is no rush, just start with 3H and expect to get to 7H unless something interesting happens.
well, 7N makes a lot more sense in mps.. and Phil didn't specify the scoring. I admit I didn't check, either
But my expectation for 7♥ at mps would be slightly below average, unless the field was appallingly weak, while 7N will be either tied for bottom or tied for top, with an expectation of slightly over average on average
If we are playing imps, then you are right...
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Posted 2008-February-12, 16:12
Ok so everyone was assuming MP, got it. I just always assume imps/bridge if not specified
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Posted 2008-February-12, 16:18
mikeh, on Feb 12 2008, 04:39 PM, said:
I toyed with the idea of showing both doubletons as real suits, but the auction will usually time out badly for that to be done comfortably. Plus when we use keycard (if we do) and bid 7N after a Q denial and an opp is looking at QJx(x) or so in the suit, he will know that we are kidding.
Or, he'll think that responder had extra length and treated it as a queen. More likely, they'll simply think we screwed up.
(Not that I really mean to be defending my approach, which was at least partially in jest.)