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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2008-April-11, 23:41


Dealer: South
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Scoring: IMP
♠ K9
♥ AQT732
♦ J5
♣ KQ5


West North East South

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Posted 2008-April-11, 23:48

open 1h and listen.
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Posted 2008-April-11, 23:53

and you hear (pass) 1nt (pass)
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Posted 2008-April-11, 23:58

i think i probably 3h now. it's close
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Posted 2008-April-11, 23:59

1♥ 2♥ and I don't think it's close.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 00:06

I think this is a clear 1♥...2♥ hand. Not close to a jump rebid to me.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 00:47

Whatcha playing?

If 1NT is non-forcing, you gotta bid 2♥. If you're playing SA with a forcing NT, I think you should still bid 2♥, because the range for 1NT tends to be lower. I don't think in either case it's close.

Playing 2/1...I hate bidding 2♥ with these. It's very close to a 3♥ call to me, but at least on paper I'd bid 2♥.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 01:00

1♥/2♥ for me.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 03:02

4H.

Sould have some play.

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Posted 2008-April-12, 03:54

1H-1NT-2H for me.
I play that 1H-1NT-2C asks partner to bid 2D with a minimum and describe with a maximum. I would bid 2C playing that and rebid H at minimum level over the response.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 04:50

jdonn, on Apr 12 2008, 05:59 AM, said:

1♥ 2♥ and I don't think it's close.

1♥ 3♥ and I don't think it's close.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 05:05

1♥ - 2♥ and I don't think it's close, particularly in 4th seat when a 2♥ opening is up to a 13-count or so; that makes this route show a better hand than it does in other seats.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 05:37

1♥ then 2♥, but to me this is close.

I agree the hand is not really worth a 3♥ rebid; on the other hand it is a lot stronger than many hands that would rebid 2♥...

I am guessing the reason you did not force a 1♥ opening on us was to see if there are any 1NT openers. With a hand whose values are hard to describe, opening 1NT does have a lot going for it. Personally, I would not do it, but I do think it is a reasonable choice.

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Posted 2008-April-12, 06:46

FrancesHinden, on Apr 12 2008, 06:05 AM, said:

1♥ - 2♥ and I don't think it's close, particularly in 4th seat when a 2♥ opening is up to a 13-count or so; that makes this route show a better hand than it does in other seats.

My thoughts, almost exactly.

One of two fourth seat opening schemes makes sense to me.

1. Open 2♥ with many decent hands. That makes 1♥...2♥ look like 1♥...2.5♥.

2. Open 2♥ with "2.5♥" hands. That makes 1♥...2♥ weaker.

Either way, this hand is a 2♥ opening or rebid, depending on style.

It is not even close. LOL
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Posted 2008-April-12, 07:46

The hand diagram tell us that we're south and dealer, thus in 1st seat.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 08:25

Clear 1H.. 2H but it is close. Change a small heart into the jack and everybody would be bidding 3.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 10:01

han, on Apr 12 2008, 09:25 AM, said:

Clear 1H.. 2H but it is close. Change a small heart into the jack and everybody would be bidding 3.

True if we had a minimum 3♥ bid we would all bid 3♥. When we have a maximum 2♥ bid we should bid 2♥. Good point.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 10:07

OK in first seat 1H then 2H but closer. For some reason I saw those dashes as passes, not enough sleep.
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Posted 2008-April-12, 10:09

FrancesHinden, on Apr 12 2008, 11:07 AM, said:

OK in first seat 1H then 2H but closer. For some reason I saw those dashes as passes, not enough sleep.

Same beers?
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Posted 2008-April-12, 12:30

1♥ - 1N - 2♥.

Fortunately we are in 4th chair where this shows 13-15 or so, since we could have 2♥'d with a little less.
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