[A2003]

Toad Club Relay precision system

* Toad Club - relay precision from Jim Griffin; FD card
I Found the text version of the TOAD Club Relay precision system.

I have prepared Full disclosure convention card for the above system and it is available in that link.
Comments welcome for corrections.
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akhare
Posted: Sep 11 2008, 05:34 PM
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Seems very interesting -- couple of comments:

1) The handling of 1♣ - 1♦ - 1♥ - 1♠ is among the most comprehensive I have seen, memory load notwithstanding. You might want to link your document to the discussion about this topic in the Non Natural Systems forum

2) The relays look like they are based on symmetric, but I didn't pay too much attention. However, I scanned for "reversor", "long legged" etc. and didn't see such terms.

3) Is this GCC kosher?

From the website document, this is GCC legal.
The FD did not include for midchart conventions as mentioned in the document.

any response to 1 and 2?

[rbforster]

A2003, on Sep 11 2008, 10:52 PM, said:

3) Is this GCC kosher?

From the website document, this is GCC legal.
The FD did not include for midchart conventions as mentioned in the document.

The opening bids are all fine, and as you note you can play weak 2 bids without Multi (GCC) or with Multi (MidChart). In scanning the responses to opening bids, I notice two problems -

1. 1♦-2♦ artificial invite with one or both minors. If this could be just 6+ clubs (and 2- diamonds), this won't be GCC. If it shows 3+♦, it would be ok. All the rest of the options (besides just clubs) show diamonds. You could try to find another bid for hands with 6+ clubs and short diamonds, like bidding 1N (or pass) on the weak ones and 3♣ on the invites.

2. 1M-2♦ artificial invite with one long minor or a 3 card limit raise. Not GCC. You could fix this by including these hands in NT and making it forcing ala 2/1 if you wanted.

That's my take on it.

[Free]

The relays don't look symmetric at all imo. They look like a classic version of "describe your long suits first, and use a rest asking bid for the exact shape". I think implementing symmetric would make the relays more efficient for sure!

[akhare]

Free, on Sep 13 2008, 02:38 AM, said:

The relays don't look symmetric at all imo.  They look like a classic version of "describe your long suits first, and use a rest asking bid for the exact shape".  I think implementing symmetric would make the relays more efficient for sure!

Second symmetric relay suggestion -- there's a good write up here:

Symmetric relay document