[maxentius]

I am trying to find a complete "support double" convention...I am sure that 99% of players use to play with support double but I don't know how many of them disscused with their partners the continuations.

Let's suppose our hand: ♠KJx, ♥Axxxx, ♦Kx, ♣xxx

and the bidding was: 1♣-(p)-1♥-(2♦)-DBL-(p)-? Do not forget that the partner could have one from these 2 hands:
1. ♠Axx, ♥Qxx, ♦xx, ♣AKxxx
2. ♠AQx, ♥Qx,♦xxx, ♣ AKQJx you could easy find more egg. with strong hands without ♦ stop, without 3 cards support in your major and withour other natural biddings

maybe someone could recommend me some "support double" links or ideeas

[Hanoi5]

I'm not completely sure but I believe the second hand isn't suited for a support double. As I understand it you use the SD only with minimum hands (12-14). I might be wrong though...

Another thing is that you should treat the SD as a simple raise, so if you just bid 2 of the suit you mean you want to play there and might not even have 5 cards. Anything else is natural and forcing (except 2NT, which should show a limit hand with a stopper in the overcall suit).

[cherdano]

Support double shows exactly 3 hearts, so your second hand is impossible. The strength is undefined, however, which can make continuations murky (and you are right it is a very underdiscussed area).

[jdonn]

With your hand I would bid 3♥, natural and invitational.

Of course the second hand for partner should not make a support double without three hearts. It's probably worth just calling it a game force and bidding 3♦ over 2♦.

[whereagles]

Supp doubles were originally invented to avoid 3-3 fits after

1m 1M
2M

where responder bid a psychic 1M on xxx (anti-lead directing) and opener supported with 3 cards and a singleton.

Unless you like to do this sort of 3-card bidding, support dbls are pretty much another useless and overrated convention.

[ArtK78]

whereagles, on Nov 24 2008, 05:45 PM, said:

Supp doubles were originally invented to avoid 3-3 fits after

1m 1M
2M

where responder bid a psychic 1M on xxx (anti-lead directing) and opener supported with 3 cards and a singleton.

Unless you like to do this sort of 3-card bidding, support dbls are pretty much another useless and overrated convention.

I believe that the laws of bridge forbid you from doubling in an auction where the opponents are silent. So you will have to find some other way to avoid your 3-3 fits.

I never heard of this explanation for the development of support doubles. So few players would ever think of responding on a 3 card suit that this is not much of a problem.

[helene_t]

Whereagles is correct with respect to the origin of support doubles. But I do think they are useful for other purposes as well.

[jdonn]

Yes he is right about the origins. Of course the list of great inventions that were found by accident or for another purpose is quite long...

[Sadie3]

Hand 1 is perfect for a support double, but hand 2 is not even remotely related to hand 1. In hand 2, one must find a forcing bid, and I would bid 2S without hesitation.

[maxentius]

I don't know which was the origine, for me is important to use this convention how much is possible...for 2-nd egg. the cue bid means 17-20 balanced or semibalanced with 4 cards support...If everybody wants to use it in his own understanding then it is ok, but I'm talking here about the well known "support double"...the real meanings is "3 cards support or any other strong hand without any other natural bidding"

I could give you other recent hand:

♠xx♥AKxxx♦AKJx,♣Ax

the bidding was: 1♥-(p)-1♠-(2♣)-? your choice?

[cherdano]

maxentius, on Nov 25 2008, 11:00 AM, said:

I don't know which was the origine, for me is important to use this convention how much is possible...for 2-nd egg. the cue bid means 17-20 balanced or semibalanced with 4 cards support...If everybody wants to use it in his own understanding then it is ok, but I'm talking here about the well known "support double"...the real meanings is "3 cards support or any other strong hand without any other natural bidding"

I could give you other recent hand:

♠xx♥AKxxx♦AKJx,♣Ax

the bidding was: 1♥-(p)-1♠-(2♣)-? your choice?

Try googling support double.

[jdonn]

maxentius, on Nov 25 2008, 12:00 PM, said:

If everybody wants to use it in his own understanding then it is ok, but I'm talking here about the well known "support double"...the real meanings is "3 cards support or any other strong hand without any other natural bidding"

Thanks for teaching me the real meaning. And to think I've been doing it wrong all these years.

[maxentius]

sry, didn't intend it...just try to find some agreements about it

[benlessard]

Quote

Supp doubles were originally invented to avoid 3-3 fits after

1m 1M
2M

where responder bid a psychic 1M on xxx (anti-lead directing) and opener supported with 3 cards and a singleton.

Slight precision on this it was Rodwell who invented it because with weakish hands Meckwell responded 1M over 1D openings on a 3 carder instead of a more foward going 1Nt.