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quick opening poll

Poll: your opening (75 member(s) have cast votes)

your opening

  1. pass (22 votes [29.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.33%

  2. 1C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 3C (18 votes [24.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.00%

  4. 4C (30 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  5. 5C (2 votes [2.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.67%

  6. I have a great gadget here, please let me tell you about it (3 votes [4.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.00%

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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-November-24, 14:33

You deal at favorable imps

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Posted 2008-November-24, 14:38

Pass, and see what happens. Yes, it might go p-(1♠)-p-(4♠). However, look at the hand. Everything is breaking badly for opponents? Who says they're making anything?
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Posted 2008-November-24, 14:43

The hobgoblin of small minds rears its ugly head again

mark me down for 5♣
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Posted 2008-November-24, 14:53

3NT. I am one of the "I have a great? gadget here" voters. Good pre-empt in a minor. Good = good suit first of all. 4♣ would be a bad pre-empt. This hand is too good for that.

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Posted 2008-November-24, 15:09

Pass, partner can still open 1♥.
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Posted 2008-November-24, 15:16

I won't pass "favorable at IMPS". Either 3♣ or 4♣, no strong preference.
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Posted 2008-November-24, 15:24

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Posted 2008-November-24, 15:50

4♣ is very obvious to me. This is why vulnerability exists.
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Posted 2008-November-24, 16:41

TylerE, on Nov 24 2008, 03:38 PM, said:

Pass, and see what happens. Yes, it might go p-(1♠)-p-(4♠). However, look at the hand. Everything is breaking badly for opponents? Who says they're making anything?

Are you seriously suggesting that you will pass 4S here? That's amazing.

Direct 4C for me.
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Posted 2008-November-24, 16:43

Another 4-clubber.
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Posted 2008-November-24, 16:45

4C for me.

If things are going to break badly, why not make them guess at the 4 level e.g. 4C (4S) X and collect 1100 or so?
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Posted 2008-November-24, 16:53

I have no problem with 3cl, but would choose 4cl fav at imps. It can gain a lot and causes massive problems for opps no matter if the hand belongs to them or not.
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Posted 2008-November-24, 21:01

love 4♣!
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Posted 2008-November-25, 12:21

4♣. 4m is probably the best preempt you've got in your arsenal for making it hard for opps. So use it when you can.
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Posted 2008-November-25, 12:32

Can I change my vote? You all have convinced me to open 4C.
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Posted 2008-November-25, 13:40

Just because everyone love 4♣, let's me speak about a different point of view.

1) Obviously I'm not sure how points are divided, but it's more normal (I presume) they will be (near) 11-11-11. So normally "someone" have a partial to play. Not game.
2) Why they shoud pay 1100? Let's think about a more normal 2 off
3) Why p should double? Yes..he will double with a stack of trumps... but it's a correct hope?
4) Opening 4♣ make impossible for us to play 3NT (Lapalice dixit)

No..No... I'm not hoping to play in ♥, because my idea is to open 3♣... my bet is for a normal and ordinary 3NT...
yes...yes... this is the reason I'm lacking kibitzer when I play... B)
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Posted 2008-November-25, 14:39

ardf10987, on Nov 26 2008, 08:40 AM, said:

4) Opening 4♣ make impossible for us to play 3NT (Lapalice dixit)

Hoping for 3NT is a long shot when I have an ace-less hand with two singletons.

I am happy to give up on that possibility to make life difficult for the opponents often and occasionally for partner.
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Posted 2008-November-25, 15:07

I would like to join in Cascade's objections to your reasoning. Let's take your example the the other players average 11-11-11. True, but...

- If your partner is much better than that, he probably has an easy raise to game.
- If your partner is worse and your LHO or RHO is better, the opponents probably have a game so you want to preempt them as much as possible.
- If one of your opponents is worse and one is better then the better hand may act and get his side into deep trouble.
- Even if the strength is about even between the other players, you have good chances to make 4♣, or have it be a cheap save against something they can make.
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Posted 2008-November-25, 23:47

Gerber for me also.
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Posted 2008-November-26, 01:19

they won't find 3N over my 4♣ opening. Maybe they'll find their other game(s), or maybe they won't. One way to find out.
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