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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-November-24, 16:52

1-x-p-1NT
p-2-p-2
p-2NT-p-3

What's going on? Which bids were forcing and which bid, if any, set a GF? Give possible example hands, if any.
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Posted 2008-November-24, 17:08

In my style (solid 1N advances and needing a pretty good hand for double-and-bid) 2 is logically game forcing.
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Posted 2008-November-24, 17:13

Don't know what is going on, but for me too 2 is a game force.

I don't think I would ever bid like this.
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Posted 2008-November-24, 17:20

2 game forcing.
2 possible (maybe value showing like KQx xx xxx ATxxx.)
2NT obviously possible, no example needed.
Ok I admit it, 3 I can hardly imagine. Maybe natural on a bad suit, like if my above example was 3244? But I'm really reaching.
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Posted 2008-November-24, 17:20

in theory: dbler has a good GF hand and responder some 3253

in practice: sounds like dbler has 5 hearts and 12-14 hcp and responder some 4243
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Posted 2008-November-24, 21:04

Agree with that 2H is GF. Don't know what 3D is.
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Posted 2008-November-25, 05:28

No real idea what is going on. I wonder however if someone thinks 2 is a transfer to in which case 3 might be trial bid. I can see no reason for anyone to think this however.......
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Posted 2008-November-25, 09:44

The consensus is that 2 is game forcing.

It seems to me that responder has three hearts (or honor doubleton) and is cue bidding the spade and diamond aces, just in case opener has a monster hand.

For example:

Axx
xxx
Axx
JTxx
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Posted 2008-November-25, 09:58

ArtK78, on Nov 25 2008, 10:44 AM, said:

The consensus is that 2 is game forcing.

It seems to me that responder has three hearts (or honor doubleton) and is cue bidding the spade and diamond aces, just in case opener has a monster hand.

For example:

Axx
xxx
Axx
JTxx

You can always bid 3, there is plenty of room to explore. But who knows, maybe they did just mean it as cuebids. If so I'm sure we will hear heart support on the next round.
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Posted 2008-November-25, 11:05

gwnn, on Nov 24 2008, 05:52 PM, said:

1-x-p-1NT
p-2-p-2
p-2NT-p-3

What's going on? Which bids were forcing and which bid, if any, set a GF? Give possible example hands, if any.

I wouldn't take any of these bids as forcing, let alone game forcing.
2nt and 3 could come close to being forcing
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Posted 2008-November-25, 12:29

The combination of double, 1NT and 2 is GF. That's obvious, IMO.

To set trumps you support hearts, 2 isn't a cuebid agreeing hearts. I agree with Josh, it shows values, most probably HHx.

2NT should be natural, showing a balanced/semi-balanced hand.

3 is a mystery to me. It might be a week 5-bagger, something like KQx xx Txxxx KJx. Not that I can see why I'd introduce this suit instead of bidding 3NT.
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Posted 2008-November-25, 14:27

I agree with everybody, 2H is gameforcing and 2S shows values, it denies 3 hearts. One would expect that the 1NT bidder has said all there is to say about his hand, but I guess his partner is asking for more information. He has a diamond honor.

My guess:

KJx
xx
Kxx
K10xxx
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-November-25, 14:34

3 should obviously show a maximum, and should probably deny a very good club stopper. How about KJx xx KJxx Kxxx (make it slightly weaker if that too much for your 1NT style). We want to be really encouraging (in case partner has slam interest) without implying anything better in terms of heart support than 1NT already promised.
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