[sceptic]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     1♦    Pass  1♠
 4♣    Pass  Pass  5♣
 Pass  5♠    Pass  6♦
 Pass  Pass  Pass  


I bid 5 clubs, then I bid 6!d, I think a simple 5 diamonds would suffice how would you bid this?

[ArtK78]

Either double or 4♦ seems like enough on the South hand. 5♣ is an overbid.

[TylerE]

5♣ = New Partner Asking Bid

[neilkaz]

TylerE, on Dec 2 2008, 02:38 PM, said:

5♣ = New Partner Asking Bid

Hard to argue with that..unfortunately.

[sceptic]

yes kinda guessed it was pushing my luck

[han]

Double and 4D are just as bad, south should bid 5D.

[kenberg]

I have spades and diamonds and a pretty good hand so after 4C rolls around to me I bid 4D. Having already bid spades I take this to show spades and diamonds and a pretty good hand. Exactly how many cards in which suit and just how good I don't know but partner will probably do something sensible. I don't particularly like a double here although it is possible that 4C doubled is the right place to play this. If X is intended as "I have values but don't know what to do" partner may well decide he doesn't know what to do either and pass. Certainly a double should envision a possible pass. Might be right, but I think 4D followed by 5D from N sounds right. Possibly N should bid 4H over 4D which presumably suggest some spades and offers a choice (selecting the right game takes precedence over slam tries). But that's risky and just raising 4D to 5D is simple. (The S in SAYC is for simple, right? )

Incidentally, although SAYC always comes in for criticism I am not so sure this hand has anything to do with that system, or any natural system.

If I am N I probably bid 5D over 4D. If so, when I get the lead I am playing the Q of diamonds from my hand and running it. If it loses to the K I am running another diamond.


So now I see Han's advice. OK, maybe so. But I don't see my hand as being all that good. Partner has a decent hand, enough to bid 5D I think, and still I would not want to stake my life on 11 tricks.

[jdonn]

South has an obvious 5♦ bid. 4♦ is just competing, it would be a normal bid (not even a stretch) without the king of hearts.

[shevek]

I guess partner didn't pin ♦J.

5♣ is an overbid but partner could tell you had primary diamond support, so signing off in 5♦ is plausible. However, she had a good hand. Now, if you had your bid - say ♦K as well ....

[H_KARLUK]

Hope I did not get wrong "how would you bid this".

1♦ > 1 ♠ (4♣ intervene)
Pass > DBL
(If West Pass)4 ♥ > (If East Pass)5 ♣ (If righty bids 5♣ then I buy 5♦)
5 ♦
End

[skjaeran]

5♦ is a slight overbid. 4♦, however, is a clear underbid, being competitive only. Having to pick one of them, I'm definitely going for 5♦.

[whereagles]

In theory, 5♣ is actually a fine bid... it pard can understand it to show diamonds. Since we have no clue he would take it as such, a straight, non-muddy, 5♦ is definitely preferable.

[poohbear]

4D . Partner can raise with any pure minimum like this one. I disagree with Jdonn stating that 4D is competitive and can be done with a king less. Just pass and go plus TYVM

[655321]

5♦ seems normal to me.