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How Many Clubs?!?!?!

#1 User is offline   kfay 

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Posted 2008-December-04, 22:23

Scoring: MP

1♠-(P)-2♥-(3♣)
?

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Posted 2008-December-04, 22:39

Playing 2/1 I presume?

I bid 4♣ and even pass 4♥ from partner. Any other move (such as 4♦) and I'm heading towards slam.
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Posted 2008-December-04, 22:47

Any agreements (anyone?) on what 4♣ shows? I think playing it as a splinter for hearts seems like a good idea. It's simple, descriptive, and not really needed for other purposes.

I hope the thread title doesn't mean you are seriously considering bidding exclusion at this point...
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Posted 2008-December-05, 00:14

4

(why can't I just have "4" as my whole post?)
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Posted 2008-December-05, 00:17

4
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-December-05, 00:25

I like it Josh.
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Posted 2008-December-05, 02:19

4C is obviously club shortness and a heart fit, I would expect any expert partner to understand this.
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Posted 2008-December-05, 03:06

rogerclee, on Dec 5 2008, 10:19 AM, said:

4C is obviously club shortness and a heart fit, I would expect any expert partner to understand this.

Not me. (And I am an expert, just check my profile on BBO. :) )

Whats your bid with:

♠ AKQ53
♥ AQ42
♦ 97
♣ A6

Edit: Off course, if it is 2/1 you can bid 3♥.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:

- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.

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Posted 2008-December-05, 03:08

OleBerg, on Dec 5 2008, 02:06 AM, said:

rogerclee, on Dec 5 2008, 10:19 AM, said:

4C is obviously club shortness and a heart fit, I would expect any expert partner to understand this.

Not me. (And I am an expert, just check my profile on BBO. :D )

Whats your bid with:

♠ AKQ53
♥ AQ42
♦ 97
♣ A6

Edit: Off course, if it is 2/1 you can bid 3♥.

Yep, assuming it's 2/1 then that hand just bids 3H. I guess kfay did not specify that, and I just know that he only plays 2/1 because I have played with him. You would be right in a SAYC setting.
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Posted 2008-December-05, 10:06

How nice to be playing 2/1!
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Posted 2008-December-05, 10:10

rogerclee, on Dec 5 2008, 03:19 AM, said:

4C is obviously club shortness and a heart fit, I would expect any expert partner to understand this.

I would expect a poll of experts with no hand attached to not be anywhere near unanimous.
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Posted 2008-December-05, 10:13

I'm with you Josh, a good auction to discuss with your regular partner.
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Posted 2008-December-05, 12:41

4 is the only reasonable club bid.
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Posted 2008-December-06, 23:17

I'm bidding 3h and keeping the auction low. I want to see how many clubs LHO is going to bid. There is 0 chance partner is passing, even if it isn't 2/1.

This hand isn't as good as it looks -- he needs way too many cover cards to make a slam feasible -- if he has all of em, he'll probably cue bid 4d on the way to 4h anyway.

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Posted 2008-December-09, 18:48

Ok let's say you bid 4♣. Partner cues 4♦. Is slam a foregone conclusion?
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Posted 2008-December-10, 02:58

after 4♦ I would be careful about online partner and bid 5♣, with regular partner I can bid 4♠ or 5♣, but I would go with 5♣.
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Posted 2008-December-10, 05:35

kfay, on Dec 10 2008, 12:48 AM, said:

Ok let's say you bid 4♣. Partner cues 4♦. Is slam a foregone conclusion?

No. Why should it be?
You are currently at the 4D level. There is plenty of room between that and slam to make a decision.

You haven't actually mentioned what system we're playing - all the 4C bidders are assuming that 2H was game forcing, although no-one's actually said so.

Anyway, over 4D we can cue bid 4S showing extra values (which I suppose we sort of have, we have a club void and a 4th heart). If partner bids 5H over that I would pass. My second choice over 4D is 4H.
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Posted 2008-December-10, 08:56

I would bid 4H over 4D.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-December-10, 09:44

han, on Dec 10 2008, 03:56 PM, said:

I would bid 4H over 4D.

Me too. Partner's 4♦ doesn't promise extra values; it just says that he's not put off by the idea of club shortage.

xx AQxxx Kxx Axx would be a perfectly good 4♦ bid. Whilst 5♥ would probably make opposite that, I'd rather not take the risk, and anyway he might drive to slam if I do any more.
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Posted 2008-December-10, 10:33

I think it is very likely that partner has cued a stiff diamond.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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