1D showing length in either minor
#1
Posted 2004-May-27, 13:30
Cheers
#2
Posted 2004-May-27, 13:41
#3
Posted 2004-May-27, 13:54
#4
Posted 2004-May-27, 13:56
Sorry for rambling, any thoughts appreciated!
#5
Posted 2004-May-27, 13:59
#6
Posted 2004-May-27, 18:38
Misho
#7
Posted 2004-May-28, 02:40
11-15 hcp
Unbalanced
5+ clubs or 5+ diamonds
May have a side 4-card SPADE, but not hearts (would open 2♣ or 2♦)
Did I get this right?
#8
Posted 2004-May-28, 02:45
whereagles, on May 28 2004, 03:40 AM, said:
11-15 hcp
Unbalanced
5+ clubs or 5+ diamonds
May have a side 4-card SPADE, but not hearts (would open 2♣ or 2♦)
Did I get this right?
Correct except on your last point, 2♣ and 2♦ openers would promise a single suiter. With a long minor and 4 hearts 1♦ would still be opened.
#9
Posted 2004-May-28, 02:53
mishovnbg, on May 27 2004, 07:38 PM, said:
Misho
That's quite interesting...like Matchpoint Precision, only backwards (and probably better on frequency and other stuff). Do you have any more info?
#10
Posted 2004-May-28, 03:43
1M = 5 card major
2c/2d = natural 6 card
1d = no 4 card major
1c = 4 card major
1nt = strong 20+
our 1d has some similarity to your definition of 1d.
I like midmac, i think its a good, easy and fun system to play.
#11
Posted 2004-May-28, 04:12
#12
Posted 2004-May-28, 04:25
Free, on May 28 2004, 05:12 AM, said:
Is it playable to open all 11-15s with 4 card majors 1M? Most variants of MOSCITO seem to avoid this, either using transfer openings for the extra step or removing hands from the 1M openers to other bids (eg 2♣ with both majors).
And yes, all club bids being pass or correct is quite nice!
#13
Posted 2004-May-28, 04:33
Seems like you'll have to use 1NT and 2♣ (as usual) to get to all your bids if you want to avoid ALL troubles in an easy way
#14
Posted 2004-May-28, 05:24
1D = H
1H = S
1S = clubs or any minor (depending on how much you'll like to adapt from moscito)
Seems better to me since opp will find it harder to interfere with 1H/1S over your "showing minor suits"-bid with 1S instead of 1D as in your system...
#15
Posted 2004-May-28, 13:56
It shows:
11-15 hcp, unbalanced, two or three-suited with no five-card major.
It differs from what you describe by excluding all single-suited hands and by only guaranteeing a four-card minor in 4441 hands.
One partner of mine describes this as essentially 'natural'. He compares this with standard systems. He says in standard systems you try to show one suit with one bid with the symmetric diamond you try to show two suits with two bids. Although our ways of showing two suits was sometimes artificial.
This structure works quite well and we have developed some specialized continuations. For example 1NT/2NT rebids show both minors; negative doubles are minor suit oriented etc
I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
True but I know Standard American and what better reason could I have for playing Precision? - Hideous Hog
Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon
#16
Posted 2004-May-29, 08:02
Wayne - cheers, that was what I wanted to hear! Have your results when you opened it been reasonable? A couple of people had suggested to me that the ambiguity would hurt us much more seriously than it would hurt the opps.
My latest line of thinking, incase anyone is interested - not likely, I know! - is this:
1♣ any 16+
1♦ any unbal hand with a 5 card minor except club single suiters
1♥,1♠ 5 card majors
1NT 12-15
2♣ Club single suiter
Responses to 1♦:
1♥,1♠ natural 4 card
1NT INV+, opener bids 2m with min or something else with max
Minor bids - pass or correct.
After 1♦:1♥,
1♠ = both minors, 1NT then asks for the longer
1NT = 5D4S or 6D, 2C then asks
2♣ = 5C4S
2♦ = good raise
After 1♦:1♠,
1NT = 5D4H/4C
2♣ = 5C4D/4H
2♦ = 6D
2♥ = good raise
#17
Posted 2004-May-30, 08:29
1♣ 16+
1♦ all other bids which don't aplie
1M 5+ card, 10-15
1NT = 14-16
2NT = 10-15 55+m
all other bids (entire 2-level) are FREE (!!!) for anything you like!
after 1♦:
1♥ weak relay, doesn't need ♥ - this is the weakness of the system
1♠ 4+ card
1NT 11+ HCP, forcing bid, asks shape - and this has a very nice (and simple) relay structure imo
I've played it a lot in my local club, and it works quite well. It has however some minor flaws in it, some things which aren't expert bidding, but it's natural and simple most of the time (that's why it's the club's system ofcourse, anyone can play it after a little study). Haven't had any bad results with it, crazy as it might sound
#18
Posted 2004-May-30, 09:02
Free, on May 30 2004, 09:29 AM, said:
1♣ 16+
1♦ all other bids which don't aplie
1M 5+ card, 10-15
1NT = 14-16
2NT = 10-15 55+m
all other bids (entire 2-level) are FREE (!!!) for anything you like!
after 1♦:
1♥ weak relay, doesn't need ♥ - this is the weakness of the system
1♠ 4+ card
1NT 11+ HCP, forcing bid, asks shape - and this has a very nice (and simple) relay structure imo
I've played it a lot in my local club, and it works quite well. It has however some minor flaws in it, some things which aren't expert bidding, but it's natural and simple most of the time (that's why it's the club's system ofcourse, anyone can play it after a little study). Haven't had any bad results with it, crazy as it might sound
An inferior version? Sorry, I disagree! I think a 12-15 NT is a worthwhile sacrifice to make the 1♦ opener actually show something. What would be nice would be if I could work out a decent response structure to 1♦ being any 5+minor unbal, then I can make my 2♣ opener show something funny and weak! Any suggestions? What are the continuations after PC 1♥ relay?
Cheers
#19
Posted 2004-May-30, 09:44
MickyB, on May 31 2004, 12:02 AM, said:
Free, on May 30 2004, 09:29 AM, said:
1♣ 16+
1♦ all other bids which don't aplie
1M 5+ card, 10-15
1NT = 14-16
2NT = 10-15 55+m
all other bids (entire 2-level) are FREE (!!!) for anything you like!
after 1♦:
1♥ weak relay, doesn't need ♥ - this is the weakness of the system
1♠ 4+ card
1NT 11+ HCP, forcing bid, asks shape - and this has a very nice (and simple) relay structure imo
I've played it a lot in my local club, and it works quite well. It has however some minor flaws in it, some things which aren't expert bidding, but it's natural and simple most of the time (that's why it's the club's system ofcourse, anyone can play it after a little study). Haven't had any bad results with it, crazy as it might sound
An inferior version? Sorry, I disagree! I think a 12-15 NT is a worthwhile sacrifice to make the 1♦ opener actually show something. What would be nice would be if I could work out a decent response structure to 1♦ being any 5+minor unbal, then I can make my 2♣ opener show something funny and weak! Any suggestions? What are the continuations after PC 1♥ relay?
Cheers
First you need to know something else. After 1♦, 1♥ can be bid with 4♠, but then it's usually balanced. 1♠ is only bid with unbalanced hands with at least 4♠s.
1♦-1♥
?
1♠ = 4 card ♠ obligated to bid, even with longer minor
1NT = (semi)balanced
2m = 5+m, unbal, NO 4 card ♠
Game isn't possible anymore, so usually we don't look for it. Only problem is to find the 4-4 ♥ fit sometimes, but then opps usually have ♠s and they bid them
About the weak openings, as I mentioned before, I really like Lorenzo-two's when NV in 1st and 2nd hand:
2♣ = 0-7 HCP, 4+♣, no 4 card M, ♣ longer or equal as ♦
2♦ = 0-7 HCP, 4+♦, no 4 card M, ♦ longer as ♣
2♥ = 0-7 HCP, 4+♥, can have longer m, ♥ longer or equal as ♠
2♠ = 0-7 HCP, 4+♠, can have longer m, ♠ longer as ♥
Alert pass as 8-10 HCP
V this is too risky, perhaps Ekren or so?
3rd hand play 2♣ weak 44+M, 2♦ minimulti, 2M Muiderberg