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Palin Speaks Private citizen Sarah
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Posted 2009-August-07, 19:22
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Posted 2009-August-08, 07:56
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Posted 2009-August-08, 07:59
luke warm, on Aug 8 2009, 04:56 PM, said:
There is a concerted disinformation campaign coming from the right wing to misrepresent health care reform.
One of the of the more prevalent meme is the claim that government officials are going to start euthanizing people once the hit the age of 22.
Sarah Palin is one of a small band of runners who are fighting against this oppressive system.
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Posted 2009-August-08, 08:13
hrothgar, on Aug 8 2009, 08:59 AM, said:
luke warm, on Aug 8 2009, 04:56 PM, said:
There is a concerted disinformation campaign coming from the right wing to misrepresent health care reform.
One of the of the more prevalent meme is the claim that government officials are going to start euthanizing people once the hit the age of 22.
Sarah Palin is one of a small band of runners who are fighting against this oppressive system.
56,899,510 Americans voted to put this lady one heartbeat away from the presidency.
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Posted 2009-August-08, 09:22
luke warm, on Aug 8 2009, 08:56 AM, said:
Government rationing of health care (taken to a (hypothetical) extreme).
Call me Desdinova...Eternal Light
C. It's the nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms.
IV: ace 333: pot should be game, idk
e: "Maybe God remembered how cute you were as a carrot."
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Posted 2009-August-08, 09:39
Lobowolf, on Aug 8 2009, 10:22 AM, said:
luke warm, on Aug 8 2009, 08:56 AM, said:
Government rationing of health care (taken to a (hypothetical) extreme).
From my days in Atlanta, I remember an Alabama bridge player sentenced to death because he could not pay for the transplant he needed to save his life. Area bridge players worked hard to raise the money (Grant Baze played a big part in this), but the player died before the full amount was gathered.
Personally, I'd like to see the government step in to regulate the health care rationing that already exists in the US.
The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists — that is why they invented hell. — Bertrand Russell
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Posted 2009-August-08, 10:00
Imagine the ignominy of being rich and not having a life that is more worth saving than some execrable poor person's.
Government of the (rich) people, by the (rich) people and for the (rich) people.
Your money, don't leave life without it....
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Posted 2009-August-08, 11:18
PassedOut, on Aug 8 2009, 10:39 AM, said:
Lobowolf, on Aug 8 2009, 10:22 AM, said:
luke warm, on Aug 8 2009, 08:56 AM, said:
Government rationing of health care (taken to a (hypothetical) extreme).
From my days in Atlanta, I remember an Alabama bridge player sentenced to death because he could not pay for the transplant he needed to save his life. Area bridge players worked hard to raise the money (Grant Baze played a big part in this), but the player died before the full amount was gathered.
Personally, I'd like to see the government step in to regulate the health care rationing that already exists in the US.
You think he'd have gotten one in time under a government program? The main effect on rationing will be who gets to decide. The government's not going to be passing out free hearts to everyone who needs them.
Call me Desdinova...Eternal Light
C. It's the nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms.
IV: ace 333: pot should be game, idk
e: "Maybe God remembered how cute you were as a carrot."
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Posted 2009-August-08, 12:08
Lobowolf, on Aug 8 2009, 10:22 AM, said:
luke warm, on Aug 8 2009, 08:56 AM, said:
Government rationing of health care (taken to a (hypothetical) extreme).
yes, but i meant (specifically) the words "level of productivity in society"... i've never heard that phraseology used, any idea where she got that?
btw, since this supposedly concerns the health care debate, what are the panel's thoughts on forcing (if necessary) the federal executive, legislative, and judiciary branches to use whatever system is deemed acceptable for the rest of the citizentry?
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Posted 2009-August-08, 15:24
Lobowolf, on Aug 8 2009, 12:18 PM, said:
PassedOut, on Aug 8 2009, 10:39 AM, said:
Lobowolf, on Aug 8 2009, 10:22 AM, said:
luke warm, on Aug 8 2009, 08:56 AM, said:
Government rationing of health care (taken to a (hypothetical) extreme).
From my days in Atlanta, I remember an Alabama bridge player sentenced to death because he could not pay for the transplant he needed to save his life. Area bridge players worked hard to raise the money (Grant Baze played a big part in this), but the player died before the full amount was gathered.
Personally, I'd like to see the government step in to regulate the health care rationing that already exists in the US.
You think he'd have gotten one in time under a government program? The main effect on rationing will be who gets to decide. The government's not going to be passing out free hearts to everyone who needs them.
For sure - he had close relative willing to donate the organ he needed for the transplant. He just didn't have the $275K.
Of course not every heart patient will get a free transplant, but otherwise healthy people will not die for lack of money when a crucial organ is readily available.
Sure people will no longer be sentenced to death just to increase the profits of an insurance company. But there will still be tough decisions to make, and we'll constantly be looking at (and arguing about) how the government makes those decisions.
A much better scenario, in my view. And, happily, I won't have to spend so damned much time dealing with employees' insurance.
The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists — that is why they invented hell. — Bertrand Russell
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Posted 2009-August-08, 15:24
luke warm, on Aug 8 2009, 08:56 AM, said:
Gog and Magog?
Just don't tell that blabbermouth Chirac.
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Posted 2009-August-08, 15:26
luke warm, on Aug 8 2009, 01:08 PM, said:
I'd definitely like to see your suggestion implemented. (Won't hold my breath though.)
The infliction of cruelty with a good conscience is a delight to moralists — that is why they invented hell. — Bertrand Russell
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Posted 2009-August-08, 15:41
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There are certainly a number in Congress whom I wouldn't mind watching go in front of the Obama Death Committee.
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Posted 2009-August-08, 19:36
Winstonm, on Aug 8 2009, 04:41 PM, said:
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There are certainly a number in Congress whom I wouldn't mind watching go in front of the Obama Death Committee.
what are your thoughts on this?
"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."
and would your thoughts be different had bush's white house done something similar about, say, the war in iraq - or even gitmo?
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Posted 2009-August-08, 20:12
Winstonm, on Aug 8 2009, 04:24 PM, said:
luke warm, on Aug 8 2009, 08:56 AM, said:
Gog and Magog?
Just don't tell that blabbermouth Chirac.
The lady's time in the spotlight is over. Applause. Curtain.
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Posted 2009-August-08, 20:24
luke warm, on Aug 8 2009, 08:36 PM, said:
Winstonm, on Aug 8 2009, 04:41 PM, said:
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There are certainly a number in Congress whom I wouldn't mind watching go in front of the Obama Death Committee.
what are your thoughts on this?
"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."
and would your thoughts be different had bush's white house done something similar about, say, the war in iraq - or even gitmo?
And who is it from? Who is at flag?
As with the Magog business on the other thread, such stupidity, if it is for real, is truly astounding and tragic.
I hate to be in this position of hoping that so many things about our government turn out as hoaxes.
Feel free to send this to flag. No don't. It will probably get me on a mailing list for vitamin supplements.
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Posted 2009-August-08, 20:49
luke warm, on Aug 9 2009, 04:36 AM, said:
"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."
and would your thoughts be different had bush's white house done something similar about, say, the war in iraq - or even gitmo?
I think that this is a reasonable and proportionate response to the current political situation. There is an excellent piece in yesterday's Washington Post discussing a closely related issue.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...9080603854.html
The opening paragraph reads as follows
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The recent attacks by Republican leaders and their ideological fellow-travelers on the effort to reform the health-care system have been so misleading, so disingenuous, that they could only spring from a cynical effort to gain partisan political advantage. By poisoning the political well, they've given up any pretense of being the loyal opposition. They've become political terrorists, willing to say or do anything to prevent the country from reaching a consensus on one of its most serious domestic problems.
There are lots of valid criticisms that can be made against the health reform plans moving through Congress -- I've made a few myself. But there is no credible way to look at what has been proposed by the president or any congressional committee and conclude that these will result in a government takeover of the health-care system. That is a flat-out lie whose only purpose is to scare the public and stop political conversation.
Tracking the lies and falsehoods that the right wing is spewing seems completely reasonable.
Moreover, there is clear evidence that the "grass roots" anti health care protests have a strong component of astroturf. The following is quite amusing:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08...op-official.php
Tracking emails is a great way to (eventually) identify the source of all this *****.
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Posted 2009-August-08, 21:21
kenberg, on Aug 8 2009, 09:24 PM, said:
luke warm, on Aug 8 2009, 08:36 PM, said:
Winstonm, on Aug 8 2009, 04:41 PM, said:
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There are certainly a number in Congress whom I wouldn't mind watching go in front of the Obama Death Committee.
what are your thoughts on this?
"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."
and would your thoughts be different had bush's white house done something similar about, say, the war in iraq - or even gitmo?
And who is it from? Who is at flag?
As with the Magog business on the other thread, such stupidity, if it is for real, is truly astounding and tragic.
I hate to be in this position of hoping that so many things about our government turn out as hoaxes.
Feel free to send this to flag. No don't. It will probably get me on a mailing list for vitamin supplements.
I don't see anything wrong with that. In fact I don't understand why you have a problem with that. This is very similar to what the Obama campaign did with the "fight the smears" website during the campaign. The e-mails just helps them judging which misinformation is so widespread that it warrants a public response.
Would you have less of a problem with this if this was handled by the DNC instead of the White House?
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Posted 2009-August-08, 21:37
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I am an equal opportunity basher - Obama gets no free ride from me, either. The son-of-a-bitch is worse than Bush when it comes to civil liberties because he knows what he's doing - it can't be blamed on gross stupidity.
However, I am strongly in agreement with Richard that the wingnuts are actually more dangerous and should be called out in the open for their foolishness.
In my work I make a visit on an elderly woman who always has her television tuned to John Hagee or Pat Robertson and thus far she has informed me that these shows have taught her that Obama is really not American but was born in Kenya, that Obama wants to socialize medicine, and that when you separate Obama's name it means something or the other about the anti-christ (I stopped paying attention to her ramblings long ago.)
What is so odd about this is that there was no similar President-bashing from the good pastors when Bush-Cheney were in office.