[cnszsun]

Scoring: IMP

ps-ps-2♠-??

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[pooltuna]

cnszsun, on Oct 7 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

ps-ps-2♠-??

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The options look to be X, 2NT, & 3♦. Given that the first 2 passed I suspect 2NT is more palatable but I still hate it with a stiff x♣, 3♦ is a weaker call in my opinion so I will settle for X and rebid 3♦ over 3♣.

[hrothgar]

pooltuna, on Oct 7 2009, 04:50 PM, said:

cnszsun, on Oct 7 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

ps-ps-2♠-??

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The options look to be X, 2NT, & 3♦. Given that the first 2 passed I suspect 2NT is more plattable but I still hate it with a stiff x♣, 3♦ is a weaker call in my opinion so I will settle for X and rebid 3♦ over 3♣.

So, your plan is to double, and then bid a new suit in a misfit auction opposite a passed hand? Even if you are playing Lebensohl, and 3♣ shows some values, you're in real danger of getting severely overboard. (BTW, if you are playing Lebensohl, what's your plan over 2NT?)

I think that the immediate 2NT overcall is a hell of a lot better than X.

[jdonn]

I would double since the hand looks suit oriented and I feel anything else risks missing hearts too much. Richard is right bidding 3♦ next is an overbid, but only a small one so I feel the advantages to double still outweigh the disadvantages.

[Jlall]

Yeah X and 3D.

Richard, I think if you double and partner bids 3C showing values, a 3D bid doesn't show 18+ or whatever like usual.

There are many 2452 15 counts or whatever that I would X planning to bid 3C over leb, but bidding 3D over 3C.

It's definitely an overbid over a 2N leb bid from partner though.

[ArtK78]

I guess I am showing my age, but I would just overcall 3♦.

3♦ is far from a weak action. If it is an underbid, it is a slight underbid.

Double has the advantage of getting hearts into the picture, but at a cost of having to bid 3♦ if partner bids 3♣. And if partner bids 2NT Lebensohl, are you really going to bid 3♣ when partner is likely to pass? 3♦ over 2NT is a significant overbid.

3♦ is my choice.

[Codo]

OMG, I am a senior too and bid 3♦.
How likely is it that partner will bid anything but clubs? 20%?

[mcphee]

The appeal of dble is to try and bring H into the window, the downside we have no C and might be making a problem. If we choose to o/c 2NT I doubt we are going to ever harm our chances of finding a H fit. The over call in D does not rule out H either but could place partner in a bad way should they have Jxxx in H and 3D where trying for a NT game would be a preference. I feel the 2NT over-call gives you the most room.

[jdonn]

Codo, on Oct 8 2009, 02:11 AM, said:

OMG, I am a senior too and bid 3♦.
How likely is it that partner will bid anything but clubs? 20%?

The combination of all bids but clubs? Over 50% I bet. Remember if he has hearts with longer clubs, or a spade stopper with clubs, there is a good chance he won't bid clubs. Also remember if he responds 3♣ we have enough to bid 3♦ anyway due to lebensohl.

[hanp]

I agree with Josh, the chance that partner is weak with clubs without hearts is well below 50%. On other hands we should be ok after doubling.

[skjaeran]

Double for me, planning to rebid 3♦ over 2NT (leb) or 3♣. 3♦ is of course an overbid over 2NT. But there's so huge an upside to the double compared to overcalling 3♦ that it's clearly worth it IMO.

[P_Marlowe]

3D.

If you play ELC, you have a easy t/o, since I dont play ELC, 3D it is.

With kind regards
Marlowe