[kgr]

Scoring: IMP

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(2NT)-Pass-(3D)-??
Opps open 2NT 20-21 and transfer to ♥. Pass, DBL, 4♦, 5♦?

[Jlall]

4D

[gnasher]

Double.

4♦ only does any good if RHO was about to make a slam try. If it's a game hand, bidding 4♦ isn't going to stop them finding their heart fit - if they have an 8-card fit, one of them already knows about it. 4♦ just gives them a chance to take a penalty if they think that's right, and tells them how to play 4♥ if that's what they decide to do.

Double, apart from being safe, may talk them out of a making 3NT - they don't know that I have no entry.

[kgr]

2 different answers. So I guess they both have their merits. (Not sure if gnasher plays at the same level as jlall and that his answer has the same weight )
Note that opps are not world class. They are only a little better then I.
That was one of the reasons that I did bid 4♦.
(2NT)-pass-(3♦)-4♦
(DBL)-pass-(5♣)-Pass
(6♣)-Pass-(6♥)-All Pass
 
with screens:
DBL=Penalty (explained by DBLer); ♥-fit and control ♦ (explained by 3♦ bidder)
5♣=control (explained by 5♣ Dbler); to play (explained at other side).
What do you lead?

[gnasher]

Have I heard both player's explanations? That would be unusual when using screens.

[gnasher]

kgr, on Oct 11 2009, 09:32 AM, said:

(Not sure if gnasher plays at the same level as jlall and that his answer has the same weight )

My answer has more weight than Justin's because it's longer. Unfortunately, however, I can't think of any other reason for you to believe me rather than him.

[kgr]

gnasher, on Oct 11 2009, 12:31 PM, said:

kgr, on Oct 11 2009, 09:32 AM, said:

(Not sure if gnasher plays at the same level as jlall and that his answer has the same weight )

My answer has more weight than Justin's because it's longer. Unfortunately, however, I can't think of any other reason for you to believe me rather than him.

Maybe you are right. It could indicate that you thought longer about it....not sure that compensates enough

[pooltuna]

gnasher, on Oct 11 2009, 05:31 AM, said:

kgr, on Oct 11 2009, 09:32 AM, said:

(Not sure if gnasher plays at the same level as jlall and that his answer has the same weight )

My answer has more weight than Justin's because it's longer. Unfortunately, however, I can't think of any other reason for you to believe me rather than him.

The weight of logic takes precendence

[Jlall]

gnasher, on Oct 11 2009, 03:14 AM, said:

4♦ only does any good if RHO was about to make a slam try.

You don't think you ever have a good 5D save? I think that's my main reason for bidding 4D, even more so than messing them up if they have a slam but they are both pretty close.

Otherwise I pretty much agree with gnasher on the upsides/downsides exactly.

I'm not worried about going for 1100, so the biggest downside is when this is a phantom against a game which is possible but not thattt likely and I will often get out for 300 then.

The other big downside is if I help them play it correctly in a significant manner, but double will sometimes do that anyways.

I guess I really like the idea of denying RHO the chance to bid 3D then 3S (whatever that is), or especially 3D then 4C, and I really like the idea of partner raising me to 5D and us putting them to a 5 level decision that they possibly cannot solve anyways (we might just be going for 300 and they can't make at the 5 level). It seems worth it since I don't think either of the big downsides is that likely.

[Jlall]

kgr, on Oct 11 2009, 03:32 AM, said:

2 different answers. So I guess they both have their merits. (Not sure if gnasher plays at the same level as jlall and that his answer has the same weight )
Note that opps are not world class. They are only a little better then I.
That was one of the reasons that I did bid 4♦.
(2NT)-pass-(3♦)-4♦
(DBL)-pass-(5♣)-Pass
(6♣)-Pass-(6♥)-All Pass
 
with screens:
DBL=Penalty (explained by DBLer); ♥-fit and control ♦ (explained by 3♦ bidder)
5♣=control (explained by 5♣ Dbler); to play (explained at other side).
What do you lead?

I would lead a spade. What else? A diamond lead seems to accomplish nothing and might well give them a finesse when RHO is void and LHO has AQ. A spade might set up trick if partner has the SK + something or the AQ of spades.

[pooltuna]

Jlall, on Oct 11 2009, 09:54 AM, said:

kgr, on Oct 11 2009, 03:32 AM, said:

2 different answers. So I guess they both have their merits. (Not sure if gnasher plays at the same level as jlall and that his answer has the same weight )
Note that opps are not world class. They are only a little better then I.
That was one of the reasons that I did bid 4♦.
(2NT)-pass-(3♦)-4♦
(DBL)-pass-(5♣)-Pass
(6♣)-Pass-(6♥)-All Pass
 
with screens:
DBL=Penalty (explained by DBLer); ♥-fit and control ♦ (explained by 3♦ bidder)
5♣=control (explained by 5♣ Dbler); to play (explained at other side).
What do you lead?

I would lead a spade. What else? A diamond lead seems to accomplish nothing and might well give them a finesse when RHO is void and LHO has AQ. A spade might set up trick if partner has the SK + something or the AQ of spades.

yep you are kind of strapped in to a ♠ lead

[kgr]

Scoring: IMP

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Thanks for answers!
I was squeezed in the minors.
East played ♠Q and took the ♠ return with his partners A.
Then he played all his trumps and I was squeezed in the minors.
I don't think that there is a way to mislead East by hiding a ♦?
Can East play differently and go down without me bidding 4♦?

[nigel_k]

If you don't bid 4♦ West is declarer and you can't beat it. Another reason to bid I guess.