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Actually one bid isnt define here, which probebly mean its "normal" but maybe it shouldnt be, this is the bid of the suit partner might have, like
(1c) 1sp (p) 2h
not sure this bid should show a normal 2h , first there is the question of is this a real heart suit, and then also the question of hcp and how forcing this is (a normal 2h is contructive but not forcing)

[Free]

Since we're fighting partscores here, I think it's important to win that battle. When you miss a 5-3 or 4-4 ♠ fit because you have to bid 2m, then I think that's a BIG disadvantage. Although slambidding might be easy, we want to win the battle most of the time, and slams aren't that common anyway after an overcall.

"x = any card" means that only the distribution is important, and the HCP a little.

I was looking for some bugs in the system:

First hand you might want to play 2♥ but you can't unless p doesn't have support. you might also miss 2♠ when p doesn't have support but a 5 card ♠. How do you find the best contract??

Second hand is a similar problem, but you want to play 2♠. Is that bid to play, or is it P/C? And how do you deal with invitational hands? What if you have a maxifit?

Third hand is the problem hand you can have opposite the first one...

[Flame]

I agree with free, imo hands with 5 card major and 4 card minor should bid the major, with maybe an excption of good 4 and bad 5, but maybe its better to change the system so 2c cant have 4c and 5sp.
Still i would pass those examples hands and hope for good.

[luis]

1) & 2) Pass or psyche up to you, they have game. The partscore doesn't matter
3) You can bid 2♣ and show a canape with spades later or you can bid 1♠ and treat the hand as a 5-2-3-3 hand. Up to you. If you don't want to show clubs, maybe you will lose a better club fit.

Luis

[Free]

pass with 1 & 2, even when invitational??? that's weird imo... Awful in MP tourneys

[luis]

Free, on Jul 6 2004, 11:00 AM, said:

pass with 1 & 2, even when invitational??? that's weird imo... Awful in MP tourneys

Free: If you want to invite you can, I thought your hands had 0 HCP :-). Remembering overcaller has 11-14 it's easy to invite and either stop safe or get to a good game.

[Flame]

Free did you mean hands one and two as just the shape of the hand, meaning x could also be an honor ?
I didnt understand it before and so did luis.
Ofcourse if you enough hcp you can act further. how much exactly im not sure but im guessing invitation is enough.

[Free]

Sry if I was unclear. I meant, what do you do with a 3-5-4-1 and a 5-3-4-1, both either weak or invitational? With GF hands it's clear ofcourse Partscore battle IS important imo...

It's quite clear how to bid with certain hands, but what does bidding the 2nd possible suit mean? Is it pass/correct, or is it natural? How do you find a 5-3 ♠-fit with a 3-5-4-1 after a 1♦-2♣ (overcaller has 5-1-3-4)?? Won't you end up in 3♥ too often if there is a fit, and won't you miss the 5-3 ♠ fit?

Btw Luis, is an overcall ALLWAYS 11-14? So you have to jump with ALL weaker hands? Also with something like x-KJTx-QT9xxx-xx?

[luis]

Free, on Jul 6 2004, 01:12 PM, said:

Sry if I was unclear. I meant, what do you do with a 3-5-4-1 and a 5-3-4-1, both either weak or invitational? With GF hands it's clear ofcourse Partscore battle IS important imo...

It's quite clear how to bid with certain hands, but what does bidding the 2nd possible suit mean? Is it pass/correct, or is it natural? How do you find a 5-3 ♠-fit with a 3-5-4-1 after a 1♦-2♣ (overcaller has 5-1-3-4)?? Won't you end up in 3♥ too often if there is a fit, and won't you miss the 5-3 ♠ fit?

Btw Luis, is an overcall ALLWAYS 11-14? So you have to jump with ALL weaker hands? Also with something like x-KJTx-QT9xxx-xx?

After 1d-2c when you have 3-5-4-1 and values the recommended bid is 2NT, the 2N bid is used a lot to show "Invitational values and missfit for clubs". Overcaller can bid 3s if he has longer spades than clubs.

When the opps bid again we agree that new suits by overcaller show the canape hand while dbl shows a two suiter with the first suit longer and pass shows usually a balanced one suited hand or a one suited hand that doesn't want to rebid the suit.

About 11-14 that's usually the recommended range you can change it if you like light overcalls there's a balance to watch, the bigger the range the easiest it is to enter the auction and make things difficult for them but you are also damaging your competitive bidding since it will be hard to know when you can bid game or invite and when you must just shutup.

Luis