[jillybean]

Dealer: South Vul: All Scoring: IMP

♠ J9653 ♥ KJ98 ♦ QJT4 ♣

Partner opens 1♠ in 3rd position, opps are passing, your bid.
If you have an agreement not to splinter with a void do you make an exception here?

[TylerE]

4♠.

[mike777]

I show a 4 card limit raise. Bergen 3d or whatever.

[pooltuna]

TylerE, on Jan 10 2010, 03:08 PM, said:

4♠.

4♠ all partner needs for a reasonable shot is K♠,Q♥,and K♦

[nigel_k]

4♣ splinter. 4♠ is also possible but since both opponents have passed and I am limited already I can fairly safely choose the more descriptive option.

If I had agreed not to splinter with a void then I don't see why this hand would be an exception so I'd just do whatever the alternative is in the system. Would not consider stopping short of game though.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

If I have made this specific agreement, than I will keep the agreement.
A partner can convince me to play nearly anything, but if partner breaks
agreements, than you will fairly fast reach the point, that I wont be interested
in playing any longer. Stick to your agreements.

What to bid is a matter of options I have.

4S is ok, 1 NT - if 100% forcing (a rare agreement, but your specific splinter
agreement is not common either). 2D is also not a bad bid, playing an otherwise
standard system, or if you play Drury, than Drury.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[helene_t]

If we play mini-splinters I will use it. Otherwise I think I will stretch to 4♣.

Edit: if we are not allowed to splinter with a void I will bid whatever I am supposed to bid with a void splinter I suppose that means 2NT or maybe Drury.

[jdonn]

If you have an agreement not to splinter with a void, what makes this hand so special to break the agreement? It is totally unexceptional.

[whereagles]

easy 4♠, wtp?

too weakish for a splinter, even if you could use it

[pooltuna]

jdonn, on Jan 10 2010, 04:02 PM, said:

If you have an agreement not to splinter with a void, what makes this hand so special to break the agreement? It is totally unexceptional.

Since it is "totally unexceptional" Does that mean you are passing or do you think you can manage a little raise?

[aguahombre]

Too strong to preempt partner with 4S as a passed hand. I would explain later that the heart 8 looked like a club when I splintered. This might happen a few more times until pard gives up on my denying a void.

[jillybean]

aguahombre, on Jan 10 2010, 04:35 PM, said:

Too strong to preempt partner with 4S as a passed hand.  I would explain later that the heart 8 looked like a club when I splintered.  This might happen a few more times until pard gives up on my denying a void.

LOL

A better question would have been 'to those who dont splinter with a void, are you happy bidding 4♠'? I know some very good players wont splinter with a void but on this hand a splnter seems to be the perfect bid. I know one hand proves nothing and perhaps the benefits outweigh the occasional underbid.

[TylerE]

jillybean, on Jan 10 2010, 09:56 PM, said:

I know some very good players wont splinter with a void

Care to name a few of them? That runs very very much against my experience.

[aguahombre]

jillybean, on Jan 10 2010, 07:56 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Jan 10 2010, 04:35 PM, said:

Too strong to preempt partner with 4S as a passed hand.  I would explain later that the heart 8 looked like a club when I splintered.  This might happen a few more times until pard gives up on my denying a void.

LOL

A better question would have been 'to those who dont splinter with a void, are you happy bidding 4♠'? I know some very good players wont splinter with a void but on this hand a splnter seems to be the perfect bid. I know one hand proves nothing and perhaps the benefits outweigh the occasional underbid.

very well put, jilly. Any time AKXXX QX AX XXXX or AKXXX AQX X XXXX ---or somesuch minimum is enough to produce a good slam, perhaps my immediate preemptive jump to game was ill-advised

[jillybean]

aguahombre, on Jan 10 2010, 08:08 PM, said:

jillybean, on Jan 10 2010, 07:56 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Jan 10 2010, 04:35 PM, said:

Too strong to preempt partner with 4S as a passed hand.  I would explain later that the heart 8 looked like a club when I splintered.  This might happen a few more times until pard gives up on my denying a void.

LOL

A better question would have been 'to those who dont splinter with a void, are you happy bidding 4♠'? I know some very good players wont splinter with a void but on this hand a splnter seems to be the perfect bid. I know one hand proves nothing and perhaps the benefits outweigh the occasional underbid.

very well put, jilly. Any time AKXXX QX AX XXXX or AKXXX AQX X XXXX ---or somesuch minimum is enough to produce a good slam, perhaps my immediate preemptive jump to game was ill-advised

I was laughing at your comment... This might happen a few more times until pard gives up on my denying a void.

[jillybean]

TylerE, on Jan 10 2010, 08:06 PM, said:

jillybean, on Jan 10 2010, 09:56 PM, said:

I know some very good players wont splinter with a void

Care to name a few of them? That runs very very much against my experience.

No BBO'ers that I know of, although perhaps MikeH as I was chatting with one of his partners/team mate about this the other day.

Edit, one BBO'er , Subhash Gupta does not splinter (4♣) with a void but does have a method of showing a void splinter.

[aguahombre]

jillybean, on Jan 10 2010, 08:47 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Jan 10 2010, 08:08 PM, said:

jillybean, on Jan 10 2010, 07:56 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Jan 10 2010, 04:35 PM, said:

Too strong to preempt partner with 4S as a passed hand.  I would explain later that the heart 8 looked like a club when I splintered.  This might happen a few more times until pard gives up on my denying a void.

LOL

A better question would have been 'to those who dont splinter with a void, are you happy bidding 4♠'? I know some very good players wont splinter with a void but on this hand a splnter seems to be the perfect bid. I know one hand proves nothing and perhaps the benefits outweigh the occasional underbid.

very well put, jilly. Any time AKXXX QX AX XXXX or AKXXX AQX X XXXX ---or somesuch minimum is enough to produce a good slam, perhaps my immediate preemptive jump to game was ill-advised

I was laughing at your comment... This might happen a few more times until pard gives up on my denying a void.

yeh, well it was intended as humor...I really, really hate making calls which are against system. But, it was also the truth. I would violate on this hand. Marlowe's suggestion that the unpopular forcing NT by passed hand might cover this was not nuts, but it wouldn't sort this one out.

[Hanoi5]

A splinter not showing a void is not an agreement I had heard before (though I've heard of cases when you can show singleton one way and void the other). I agree with whoever said 3♦ (Bergen raise) with this.

[chasetb]

Personally, I think not splintering with a void is STUPID, but that's just me. The convention to handle this would be 3NT- shows a void in an unnamed suit. Partner relays to 3♣, and then it depends on what your agreement is- I would say that bidding 4♠ shows a Club void. If you feel like lying to partner, use Drury to gauge partner's strength, then bid 4♠- I also like the idea of just splintering with this hand, despite partner's objections. Check this out to see why- http://www.bridgeguy...26Schogger.html

[Fluffy]

th hand is too quacky to splinter, our hand doesn't belong to slam, 4♠ is appropiate.