[Syl20]

Hi all,
Another question on developements:
After 1♣-1♥, opener rebids 1♠ with:

a- 4♠+5♣ and 15+
b- 5♠ and 18+ (thus 5♠+4+♣/♦

I read that 1♣-1♥-1♠-1NT-2♣ shows hands type (a).

(1) On this sequence, should opener rebid 3♣/♦ to show 5♠+4+♣/♦) ?

(2) Does this sequence also deny 3♥ since opener could bid 2♦ over 1♥ ?

(3) What is your policy concerning the use or not of 2♦ after 1♣-1♥ when you hold as opener 4♠, 5♠ (as well as 3♥ of course) ?

Cheers

[the hog]

Syl20, on Jul 13 2004, 04:42 PM, said:

Hi all,
Another question on developements:
After 1♣-1♥, opener rebids 1♠ with:

a- 4♠+5♣ and 15+
b- 5♠ and 18+ (thus 5♠+4+♣/♦

I read that 1♣-1♥-1♠-1NT-2♣ shows hands type (a).

(1) On this sequence, should opener rebid 3♣/♦ to show 5♠+4+♣/♦) ?

(2) Does this sequence also deny 3♥ since opener could bid 2♦ over 1♥ ?

(3) What is your policy concerning the use or not of 2♦ after 1♣-1♥ when you hold as opener 4♠, 5♠ (as well as 3♥ of course)  ?

Cheers

Opener also bids 1S with 19-21 and 4S balanced in this sequence

Regarding Odwrotka: (1C 1M 2D)

How you use this depends very much on the version you play. If you play the ordinary version of 45 45 66, I would not use it in the sequence 1C 1H when holding 5S. With 4S you can always break out and bid naturally.
If you are using the more sophisticated but much harder version as proposed by Matula, this gets very interesting.
The Matula version is a full relay structure, allowing you to find strength and exact shape of responder's hand. Then using the end signal, (4D), you can sign off, or you can set a suit and ask for KC and make various slam asking bids.

So the answer is actually a difficult one. Using Matula's version we relay when we need to know, and show when that is more important. If you are not using the full relay structure, but are using something like described in WJ200, can I recommend that if you are playing in a serious partnership, you change to the full relay version.


Part 2
I read that 1♣-1♥-1♠-1NT-2♣ shows hands type (a).

(1) On this sequence, should opener rebid 3♣/♦ to show 5♠+4+♣/♦) ?
No. The 3C bid here should show 4S, 6 good C and 19+ GF. With 5S bid 2S.

Cheers
Ron

[Flame]

Hi Ron
Where can i read Matula or any other serious stuff about PC ?

[the hog]

The Matula book is called
"The Polish Club"
I don't know where it is available as I think it is out of print. It was published by Scania Bridgekonsult. However if you leave me your email in a pm I can send you my notes. We play pretty much exactly as he suggests with a few of changes only -
1) we play 1C 2C as a gf with one exception - when resp rebids his C.
2) we play tutti frutti 2 bids, but that is no big deal.
3) We play the forcing 2NT convention - 1D 1S 2D 2NT and similar auctions are GF.

Incidentally comparing this to WJ200 is like comparing a Ferrari to a Lada.

[Free]

The_Hog, on Jul 13 2004, 08:39 AM, said:

Incidentally comparing this to WJ200 is like comparing a Ferrari to a Lada.

LOL, that's similar for all systems made for the public...

[luke warm]

take ron up on those notes, they're very good and very extensive... i'm still working my way thru them... oh, thx ron, not sure i ever emailed you on it.. i do appreciate it

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luke warm, on Jul 14 2004, 06:37 PM, said:

take ron up on those notes, they're very good and very extensive... i'm still working my way thru them... oh, thx ron, not sure i ever emailed you on it.. i do appreciate it

I did, and you are right, it will help us alot, but i am not sure my memory is ready for such a complex system, we will add things slowly.
Anyway about this thread, 1c-1h-1s as far as i know can also be a 12-14 with 4 card spade. Is it better to bid 1nt with those hands , i think it is but the WJ2000 say otherwise.

[Cascade]

Matula is available from this site as an e-book:

e-books from Scania Bridge

I have no association with this site - I found it using an ordinary google search.

[the hog]

Matula's is an excellent interpretation with one rider -
This book is now about 12 years old and 1 or 2 concepts are not as played by the top Poles eg
Matula 1C 2C = 10+
Modern PC 1C 2C = gf

Matula 1D can be 4
MPC 1D nearly always 5 unless 5C/4D. (Open 1C with bal hands)

Matula 1C/D 2M = big
MPC 1C/D 2M = 4-6 6 carder

I actually like the 1D = 4 method. This allows for more quick preemptive raises and can indicate a lead.

Ron