[dcohio]

Scoring: MP

Silent opps:

- 1♥
2♣* 3♣
5♣ AP

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* = Game force

[mohitz]

all blame to West. He has extras and should investigate. I would bid 3S as West. Should reach 6C at least. 7C is not bad.

[jjbrr]

5♣ LOL

[P_Marlowe]

West.

A simple hard fast rule - if you decide to play 5 of a minor, check if you
can play 6 of a minor, you just need one add. trick.
How to proceed, is a matter of methods, but a natural forward going 4C bid,
followed by a 4S cue, over a 4D cue, would have done the trick.

Similar minorwood.

The way West did bid, West could have only 1 or 2KC, replace the Ace of
spades with the king of spades and ...

With kind regard
Marlowe

[quiddity]

5C is bad, but I think East should splinter.

[peachy]

West should not jump to 5C, there is no rush when GF has been established. West's hand is way too good.

[ONEferBRID]

dcohio, on Apr 27 2010, 11:31 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

Silent opps:

-  1♥
2♣*  3♣
5♣  AP

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* = Game force

I realize most here think RKC is for rank amateurs, but East has NO 2 quick losers in the side suits
and primarily needs to know about the Cl quality.

--    - 1H
2C! - 4C! = classic Minorwood bid
4D ( 0 or 3 ) - 4H ( next step = cQ-ask )
4NT ( cQ but no outside K's OR hQ* ) - 6C
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* Finding hQ would make 7C a near laydown.

[kenrexford]

Everyone so far seems to find it 100% obvious that the space between 3♣and 5♣ should not randomly be burned up with a hand as good as West has. I agree. But, what is a jump to 5♣?

With Opener unlimited, it seems that a jump to 5♣ should mean something. It should be a picture bid. But, what kind?

Before trashing West, maybe describe the hand that 5♣ shows and indicate why West has the wrong hand for a 5♣ call.

5♣ may still be the wrong call, but simply noting the ability to ask questions before bidding 5♣ doesn't help much, especially if 5♣ were, for example, to show a hand with no shortness, no heart fit, solid clubs, s six-loser hand, and one side Ace.

[gwnn]

West was really bad.

[whereagles]

I usually find justifications for every bid, but this time not even I can take the blame off west

[ONEferBRID]

Another call EAST could have made after the GF 2C! is a 3S! splinter for Cl as trump.
I would then hope that 4C! next by West would be Minorwood.

[ArtK78]

The 5♣ bid was REALLY bad. This is matchpoints. Even if you are not going to investigate a possible slam at least you could try for 3NT (which will beat anyone else that winds up in 5♣).

Having said that, East should make a splinter in spades. That will accomplish several things:

(1) It will show a willingness to investigate slam.
(2) It will facilitate a slam investigation.
(3) It will pinpoint either a weakness for a notrump contract or a duplication of values which will show that slam is unlikely and notrump is a good spot.

My initial inclination was to give 100% of the blame to West, as the 5♣ bid was so bad. But East was in there with his failure to splinter. Since West could have overcome the failure to splinter, I still have to give him the majority of the blame.

75% to West, 25% to East.

[For purposes of the poll, I voted 70% to West, as that was the closest choice available]

[Phil]

Some of this falls on east for not making a 3♠ splinter with all of these primes and four card support.

But 5♣!?!

[aguahombre]

If 2C was a Natural bid --not always the case with many posters --

then, West perhap should not have had the chance to make his/her extremely questionable 5C bid. But really, 3C was not that horrible with other partners. It set trumps. and allowed West to make a reasonable --maybe helpful -- rebid. Maybe West was going to show heart support next, which would be nice to know, because it creates a possible heart loser in a club slam.

A splinter rebid by opener with this hand doesn't seem useful. It gets in responder's way. (Maybe you should get in this partner's way )

So:
1H-2C
3C-3S
4C--minorwood by the hand which knows there are no heart losers, and has controls in the side suits. If you don't like minorwood, then Kickback --who cares?

[jdonn]

Just to make this constructive, do people think 5♣ shouldn't even exist or what should it mean?

[aguahombre]

somebody mentioned maybe it should be some kind of picture bid, but also said they didn't know what kind. It would have to be one that doesn't care if we pass 3NT, and that narrows it to just about the null set

[pooltuna]

jdonn, on Apr 28 2010, 12:58 PM, said:

Just to make this constructive, do people think 5♣ shouldn't even exist or what should it mean?

at MPs it is hard to construct a hand that would bypass 3NT so blithely. So perhaps it is this hand and West is expected to raise to 6 with any excuse. Actually surprised that West did not as 5♣ rates to score so poorly.

[jdonn]

Actually thinking about it I think it should be 1227 (plus a card outside clubs) with solid clubs and nothing else. 3NT probably won't be right after partner raised clubs, there will be a problem in at least one red suit.

[rogerclee]

What hand was east worried about that made 6C a bad spot? This thread is just so lol, everyone is so quick to jump on east's failure to splinter and west's 5C bid that they didn't see that east forgot how to evaluate a bridge hand.

[quiddity]

nm, roger beat me to it. East really should have been able to count 12 tricks.