Pau Gasol
#41
Posted 2010-May-21, 18:19
If you look over the decade 2000-2009 looking at all NBA players over that time Gasol came in number 16. See top players of the past decade. Gasol was adding just over 10 wins a season compared to around 19 for the top 2 players (Garnett and Duncan) and 16 for Kobe. Dirk was number 4 at around 15 wins a season.
So Gasol is quite good, yes.
#42
Posted 2010-May-21, 18:38
#43
Posted 2010-May-21, 22:22
And I don't understand how you could possibly say X is better than Y right now conclusively. Gasol is better at some things. Garnett is definitely better at defense and as a team leader, despite his physical decline. Does that make either Garnett or Gasol objectively a better player? No. And it would be silly to try to say one is better than the other since they have different strengths and different roles on their teams.
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#44
Posted 2010-May-21, 22:25
I just give boston a chance.....at this point......a chance....
I picked..bet boston in the east..........long ago......so far so good...
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side note sigh...I hope to live long enough to bet my Cubs
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at this point...at this point....we can say Rays best team in history.....
better than 32...27 yanks......yes......
#45
Posted 2010-May-21, 22:27
mike777, on May 21 2010, 10:25 PM, said:
I just give boston a chance.....at this point......a chance....
I picked..bet boston in the east..........long ago......so far so good...
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side note sigh...I hope to live long enough to bet my Cubs
I'm going to see the Cubs tomorrow in Arlington. Should be fun.
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#46
Posted 2010-May-21, 22:54
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Oh geez. You are being ridiculous. I know you didn't mean YOU literally, which is why I used Kwame, an actual NBA player, as my counter-example, not you literally. You made the statement that Pau wasn't a top 5 forward and implied that he only seemed good because he was playing with Kobe.
Maybe you should look up how to write to make an effective point. I understand the use of hyperbole and sarcasm just fine. You apparently do not. Your use of hyperbole doesn't help your claim at all (players look better playing with Kobe, so Gasol overrated because of this), because it's demonstrably untrue, looking historically at other teammates. The statement minus the hyperbole is still ridiculous, so it doesn't help your case, the hyperbole is irrelevant here.
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When it's a close argument it's hard to definitevely who is better, but at least it's an argument. But you were LOL'ing at Pau being top 3. It's not an absurd, LOL worthy statement IMO. If you want to argue he's say 5th best or 6th best rather than 3rd fine, but LOL'ing at 3 is overboard.
Gasol vs. Garnett ... right now Gasol is ahead in every stat category by a significant margin. Garnett can't move/dominate on defense like he used to, his BPG this year are down to half his career average. IMO the only thing Garnett still leads in is trash-talking, he's a shadow of his former self. Happens to all the greats, he has 50% more mileage on him than Gasol.
If you want to compare careers, or Garnett from 5 years ago vs. Gasol now, I'll take Garnett, but in 2010 I'll take Gasol.
#47
Posted 2010-May-21, 23:29
I mean it's easy to have great numbers when your team is average 124 points or something every game.
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#48
Posted 2010-May-21, 23:49
jjbrr, on May 22 2010, 12:29 AM, said:
I mean it's easy to have great numbers when your team is average 124 points or something every game.
no it should not be easy to show great numbers if your team puts up 124..........
'at the very least we can agree what great numbers are......
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If we cannot agree on what great means......ok... HOUSTON...we have a problem....
#49
Posted 2010-May-21, 23:53
Butkis/Sayers....
#50
Posted 2010-May-22, 01:41
#51
Posted 2010-May-23, 21:56
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#52
Posted 2010-May-23, 22:39
jjbrr, on May 23 2010, 10:56 PM, said:
Even I would look good as a center on a team with Nash.
#53
Posted 2010-May-23, 22:55
jjbrr, on May 23 2010, 10:56 PM, said:
no......not twice as good...........
We can debate if even as good......
for instance...Gasol plays defense at least some of the time...
At this time my take Gasol will have a better career than amare, esp if amare never plays defense.
#54
Posted 2010-May-23, 23:24
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#55
Posted 2010-May-23, 23:33
cherdanno, on May 23 2010, 10:39 PM, said:
jjbrr, on May 23 2010, 10:56 PM, said:
Even I would look good as a center on a team with Nash.
stoudamire:
[ ] center
[x] pf
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#56
Posted 2010-May-24, 02:11
jjbrr, on May 24 2010, 01:33 AM, said:
cherdanno, on May 23 2010, 10:39 PM, said:
jjbrr, on May 23 2010, 10:56 PM, said:
Even I would look good as a center on a team with Nash.
stoudamire:
[ ] center
[x] pf
interestingly, Amare was listed as center in the all-star ballot this year. Normally, Yao Ming wins west's center voting, but he had an injury for all season and he wasn't in the ballot. I guess organizers didn't want to see Bynum or Nene as a starter.
#57
Posted 2010-May-24, 16:46
#58
Posted 2010-May-25, 11:38
Fluffy, on May 20 2010, 10:10 AM, said:
Gasol gets some love from american media too: Doug Collins, comentating Lakers-Suns game 3 for TNT, said that "Gasol is the best big man in the game right now"
Before internet age you had a suspicion there are lots of "not-so-smart" people on the planet. Now you even know their names.
#59
Posted 2010-June-18, 02:31
BBC reports that Gasol was a massive contributor to Lakers winning the title.
#60
Posted 2010-June-18, 13:44