[inquiry]

This is the third hand submitted by Hanoi5.

Scoring: MP

Board 12. Bidding Script: NS do not enter the bidding, assuming WEST opens. In the unlikely event that WEST pass in first seat, North opens 2♥ and south raises to 3♥.

Hanoi5 recommended the following scoring for this hand... (this is verbatim his comments)
"Another hand where the minors are protagonists. Here east will open 1S and West will have to decide how to describe his 6-5 with a minimum HCP for going to the 2 level (or will someone choose to bid 1NT?). Reaching the diamond slam will prove quite hard in a very difficult hand for choosing strain and level." He recommended the following scoring... 6D, 10; 5D, 8; 5C/3NT, 6; 4S, 3; 6C, 1

I actually assigned the following scores without referring to his scores (main disagreement is on 4♠ and 3NT.... I got the impression his hand is from a professional publication somewhere, suggesting his scores might have been better estimates than mine.

6d=10, 5d=8, 4S=7, 5c=6, 3n=4, 4N=3, 6c=2, 4d=1, 5S=0

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6D E 13
4S W 5
5D E 2
3N W 2
5N W 1
4N E 1
5S W 1
4S E 1
5C E 1



6DE cascade kermit
6D E Flycycle/Wackojack
6D E Codo-Fluffy
6D E tylere / bid_em_up
6D E lobowolf/bkjswan
6D E Siegmund/MSchmahl
6D E jlall/hanp
6D E CanadaGrl/Gerardo
6D E zasanya/ravia6
6D E rogerClee/cherdano
6D E sallyally/joylson
6D E jdonn/gib
6D E ant590 - crayzeejim
5S W mohitz/akjq
5N W olegru - driver733
5D E karlson/threenobob
5D E peachy/lg62
5C E elianna/awm
4S W mbodell - javabean
4S W gnasher/catch22
4S W East4Evil/sohcahtoa
4S W bluecalm/redds
4S E Hrothgar/Free
4S @ helene_t-agusaris
4N E kristen33/jillybean
3N W kfay/jchiu
3N W tlgoodwin/timg
NA 0 j0i/gwnn
NA 0 Tomi2-JHDW
NA 0 Vampyr/Lamford

This post has been edited by inquiry: 2010-July-27, 19:41

[bluecalm]

We played 2♠ on those cards. I guess you pasted wrong results with wrong layouts thus confusion. I will wait for edits before commenting on more boards.

[inquiry]

Thanks.. seems i got out of sequence on cutting and pasting... should do that sober or at least rested....

This one and 11 are fixed now... I pretty sure 13-->16 are correct (the hand shown here was 13 originally) but I guess I better look now...

[kayin801]

This hand was a really tough one. We got to a decent spot (4♠) on this auction:

1♠-2♣
2♠-3♦
3NT-4♠

I decided that since partner couldn't bid hearts or raise a minor he had to have 6 spades and with the marked heart lead 3NT wouldn't be a good contract.

Did anyone else have the same first 4 bids, and what did you do after that if you got to the ♦ slam?

[Cascade]

kayin801, on Jul 28 2010, 09:08 AM, said:

This hand was a really tough one. We got to a decent spot (4♠) on this auction:

1♠-2♣
2♠-3♦
3NT-4♠

I decided that since partner couldn't bid hearts or raise a minor he had to have 6 spades and with the marked heart lead 3NT wouldn't be a good contract.

Did anyone else have the same first 4 bids, and what did you do after that if you got to the ♦ slam?

yes then 4♦

[Fluffy]

I bid 2♦ instead of 2♣ and everything was really easy after that, specially in the end, when I clicked on "movie" and I could see my partner's hand for some stupid bug in the software, happilly there was no real decision left to make, but if anyone wants my score to drop on this one I am fine with it.

[jdonn]

I think this is the best auction (not the one I had though):
1♠ 2♣
2♠ 3♦
3♥ 4♦
4♥

with 3♥ just value showing and ongoing and 4♥ agreeing diamonds. After that it's a matter of style and agreements, such as can you cuebid shortness in spades, what is keycard or could you not have bid 4♥ if it was already keycard, etc.

However gib made this particular hand very easy by raising 3♦ to 4♦ haha.

[gnasher]

Why is 4♠ ranked lower than 5♦? In 4♠, I'm more likely to make 650 than to go down.

[Siegmund]

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1♠-2♣
2♠-3♦
3NT-4♠

I decided that since partner couldn't bid hearts or raise a minor he had to have 6 spades and with the marked heart lead 3NT wouldn't be a good contract.

Did anyone else have the same first 4 bids, and what did you do after that if you got to the ♦ slam?

We had the same first 5 bids. My partner opted for 4♦ over 3NT to show his 5-6, and he correctly interpreted my 4♥ as a cuebid agreeing diamonds after that.

We felt like we had overcome a real challenge to reach the top spot; speaks well for the forum that so many got there.

[JavaBean]

gnasher, on Jul 27 2010, 04:49 PM, said:

Why is 4♠ ranked lower than 5♦?  In 4♠, I'm more likely to make 650 than to go down.

Are you so confident on a heart lead? At least one of the major suits will dissolve into a soggy mess.

[jdonn]

JavaBean, on Jul 27 2010, 05:06 PM, said:

gnasher, on Jul 27 2010, 04:49 PM, said:

Why is 4♠ ranked lower than 5♦?  In 4♠, I'm more likely to make 650 than to go down.

Are you so confident on a heart lead? At least one of the major suits will dissolve into a soggy mess.

You will ruff a heart, pitch a heart on a club, and hope spades are 3-3. That loses 3 tricks on normal breaks all around but fairly often just 2. So gnasher seems to have a fair point.

[peachy]

Our auction was
1S-2C
2S-3D
3H-4D
5D - and after a long tank I passed. Mighty tempted to raise but since 3H was not a cue, it was a move toward 3NT, I did not want to risk it since over 4D there was room for cue but none was made.

[cloa513]

You have marked North as Dealer so he opens. Isn't 5C pretty solid whereas 3NT would require some rather unusual hand shape such as blocking honours in South (and declarer assumes that or plays as usual and no ace of spades or Qxx Clubs in North) or Qx clubs in any hand.

[Siegmund]

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You have marked North as Dealer so he opens

That's just too fast copying and pasting on Inquiry's part.

Board 12 was West dealer, NS vulnerable, just as on a normal set of duplicate boards. West opened.

[JLOGIC]

jdonn, on Jul 27 2010, 04:30 PM, said:

I think this is the best auction (not the one I had though):
1♠ 2♣
2♠ 3♦
3♥ 4♦
4♥

with 3♥ just value showing and ongoing and 4♥ agreeing diamonds. After that it's a matter of style and agreements, such as can you cuebid shortness in spades, what is keycard or could you not have bid 4♥ if it was already keycard, etc.

However gib made this particular hand very easy by raising 3♦ to 4♦ haha.

Thats how we bid it. I think 3H is a better bid than 3N, but to me 3D is typically 5-6.

[inquiry]

gnasher, on Jul 27 2010, 04:49 PM, said:

Why is 4♠ ranked lower than 5♦?  In 4♠, I'm more likely to make 650 than to go down.

Hanoi5 recommended 4S as a 3 (half the value of 5C). I however didn't use his scores, I gave 4S a 7 (more than 5C). Note the first line of scores was "suggested", the second line was the one used.

Since the only critique was that 4S should score higher than 5C, and in fact, I had it doing so (looking at wrong line). I will assume the scores of this one is not in dispute, so the scores are finalized on it as given above (use the correct line).

[Hanoi5]

4♠ didn't make on the original hand as spades were 5-1.

[bluecalm]

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but to me 3D is typically 5-6.

This is interesting. I thought 3♦ is typically 5-4 and looking for ♥ stopper, something like:

xx xx KQxx AKJxx

What would you bid with that hand ?

[JLOGIC]

bluecalm, on Jul 27 2010, 09:09 PM, said:

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but to me 3D is typically 5-6.

This is interesting. I thought 3♦ is typically 5-4 and looking for ♥ stopper, something like:

xx xx KQxx AKJxx

What would you bid with that hand ?

I would bid 2N. I would never bid 3D with 4-5 and only sometimes with 4-6.

[bluecalm]

This is interesting.
Does it also apply to :

1♠ - 2♦
2♠ - 3♣ ? ( so it's 5-5 or 6-4 ?).

That's completely different than the way I was taught. I posted this on polish forum to get some opinions but I am pretty sure they won't think for a second it's more than 5-4.
Not sure which way I like more yet, yours for sure make it possible to bid 5+-5+ hands while mine (?!) makes it easier to avoid 3nt without ♥ stops.