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Partner opens 1♦, we bid 2♣, and partner shows 12-14 with 2NT. What do you think the various continuations would mean and which do you choose?
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Posted 2010-August-31, 14:50
Partner opens 1♦, we bid 2♣, and partner shows 12-14 with 2NT. What do you think the various continuations would mean and which do you choose?
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Posted 2010-August-31, 15:01
Is this SAYC or 2/1? In 2/1 I would bid 3D, I think all bids are natural.
I have no expertise in sayc so I don't know.
I have no expertise in sayc so I don't know.
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Posted 2010-August-31, 15:04
Unfortunately not 2/1, else "wtp" would be a reasonable answer. 
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Posted 2010-August-31, 15:21
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♠ A2
♥ A
♦ K1043
♣ AQ10543
Partner opens 1♦, we bid 2♣, and partner shows 12-14 with 2NT. What do you think the various continuations would mean and which do you choose
Assuming we are not playing inverted minors (where i would merely bid 2d with a strong hand with dia and not temporize with 2c) I would bid
4d
this should show obvious slam interest in a minor just not sure as to where.
If opener bids 4n we hould take that as a sign off and assume they have lots of major suit cards. If they cue bid (4h or 4s) then leap to 6c and let them decide which suit. Dont waste time looking for 7 since its almost impossible for opener
to have the right stuff.
Vul: E/W
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♠ A2
♥ A
♦ K1043
♣ AQ10543
Partner opens 1♦, we bid 2♣, and partner shows 12-14 with 2NT. What do you think the various continuations would mean and which do you choose
Assuming we are not playing inverted minors (where i would merely bid 2d with a strong hand with dia and not temporize with 2c) I would bid
4d
this should show obvious slam interest in a minor just not sure as to where.
If opener bids 4n we hould take that as a sign off and assume they have lots of major suit cards. If they cue bid (4h or 4s) then leap to 6c and let them decide which suit. Dont waste time looking for 7 since its almost impossible for opener
to have the right stuff.
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Posted 2010-September-01, 00:48
Presumably 3♦ is forcing in SAYC too. If you had a signoff in 3♦, you would have bid an invitational 1♦-3♦.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-September-01, 02:11
3♦, I guess this should be forcing
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Posted 2010-September-01, 02:36
With a regular partner, I had surely discussed 1♦ 2 ♣ and would know that 3 ♦ is forcing.
With a pick up or another form of less serious bridge, I would try 3 ♦, believing that this must be forcing and not caring about his pass if he has other ideas.
If I had failed to discuss this and play a serious tournement, I would bid 4 ♦ and take it from there.
With a pick up or another form of less serious bridge, I would try 3 ♦, believing that this must be forcing and not caring about his pass if he has other ideas.
If I had failed to discuss this and play a serious tournement, I would bid 4 ♦ and take it from there.
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Posted 2010-September-01, 06:43
In an old style 2/1 of unknown origin, we already know about opener's point range (12-14), and her distribution (exactly 4-4-3-2 in that order).
If the Minor suit honors are concentrated (XXXX KXXX AQJ KJ), oh well ---we have a nice Grand. Certainly others know how to sort out the exact location of opener's high cards before getting too high. I would probably play the odds that with 8 major suit cards, the strength is mostly in the majors --and go low.
If the Minor suit honors are concentrated (XXXX KXXX AQJ KJ), oh well ---we have a nice Grand. Certainly others know how to sort out the exact location of opener's high cards before getting too high. I would probably play the odds that with 8 major suit cards, the strength is mostly in the majors --and go low.
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Posted 2010-September-02, 16:17
mgoetze, on Aug 31 2010, 03:50 PM, said:
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Partner opens 1♦, we bid 2♣, and partner shows 12-14 with 2NT. What do you think the various continuations would mean and which do you choose?
3♦. Even in SAYC, this has to be forcing. If partner bids 3NT over 3♦, I think this hand is worth one more try with 4♣ (partner better not take it as Gerber), but I will then pass partner's 4NT.
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