BBO Discussion Forums: spades... - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

spades...

Poll: how many? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

how many?

  1. 1 spade (forcing) (18 votes [62.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.07%

  2. 2 spades (4-7 HCP Aprox) (5 votes [17.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.24%

  3. 3 spades (4-7 HCP Aprox) (5 votes [17.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.24%

  4. 4 spades (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

Vote Guests cannot vote

#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

  • World International Master without a clue
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,404
  • Joined: 2003-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:madrid

Posted 2010-September-26, 05:42

MPs, all vul, north dealer

1♣-(X)-??

♠A1087xxx
♥J
♦Qxx
♣Jx
BridgeGod: my personal website with interactive problems and articles
0

#2 User is offline   MFA 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,625
  • Joined: 2006-October-04
  • Location:Denmark

Posted 2010-September-26, 12:48

I would try 1♠ only. If we bid three and catch partner with a singleton we could have blown the board already.
Michael Askgaard
0

#3 User is offline   whereagles 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 14,900
  • Joined: 2004-May-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portugal
  • Interests:Everything!

Posted 2010-September-26, 15:11

1♠. Could bid 2 or 3 as well if I felt like it.
0

#4 User is offline   Free 

  • mmm Duvel
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-July-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Belgium
  • Interests:Duvel, Whisky

Posted 2010-September-27, 01:02

I have ♠s and I have distribution, so 1♠ wtp?
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
0

#5 User is offline   Fluffy 

  • World International Master without a clue
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,404
  • Joined: 2003-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:madrid

Posted 2010-September-27, 09:46

1♠ would work very poorly, partner had

♠x
♥AQxx
♦Kx
♣AKxxxx

most of the field playing 4♠ down, 2♠ bought the contract.
BridgeGod: my personal website with interactive problems and articles
0

#6 User is offline   gwnn 

  • Csaba the Hutt
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,027
  • Joined: 2006-June-16
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:bye

Posted 2010-September-27, 09:56

But why do you bid 2♠ showing 4-7 if you don't have 4-7 and have one more spade?

I don't like 2♠ because it's an underbid and don't like 3♠ either because my spades are not suitable enough, so 1♠ is good. I don't understand why 1♠ would work so poorly, looks like we play 3♣ no?
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
      George Carlin
0

#7 User is offline   Siegmund 

  • Alchemist
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,764
  • Joined: 2004-June-15
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Beside a little lake in northwestern Montana
  • Interests:Creator of the 'grbbridge' LaTeX typesetting package.

Posted 2010-September-27, 16:18

I'm fine with 1, or with 4 .... I can't understand 2 or 3 at all with this hand.
0

#8 User is offline   Phil 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,093
  • Joined: 2008-December-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Texas, USA
  • Interests:Mountain Biking

Posted 2010-September-27, 16:29

I like 2♠. Our hand has too many flaws for three.

I want to preempt their hearts, and 1♠ doesn't get the yob done.
Hi y'all!

Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.
0

#9 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2010-September-27, 16:35

The flaws for 3 are also flaws for 2. There isn't much preemptive about this hand. Anyway I don't at all see why 1♠ would blow the board if the field is in 4♠.

1♣ (X) 1♠
2♥ 2♠
3♣ 3♠

and we are done. I don't know why the field can't handle it but yay me for being able to evaluate my hands!
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

#10 User is offline   nige1 

  • 5-level belongs to me
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,128
  • Joined: 2004-August-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Glasgow Scotland
  • Interests:Poems Computers

Posted 2010-September-27, 16:56

Fluffy, on Sep 26 2010, 06:42 AM, said:

MPs, all vul, north dealer
♠ A1087xxx ♥ J ♦ Qxx ♣ Jx
1♣-(X)-??

IMO 1♠ = 10, 3♠ = 6, 4♠ = 5, 2♠ = 3.
  • You have too many ♠ for 2♠ :blink:
  • You have too much defence for 3♠ :blink:
  • You have too few playing tricks for 4♠ :(
  • You have too many HCP for a bid other than 1♠ :)
4♠X - 2? Oh well, Fluffy can't accuse me of being a result-merchant :)
Guthrie.tech
0

#11 User is offline   Free 

  • mmm Duvel
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-July-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Belgium
  • Interests:Duvel, Whisky

Posted 2010-September-28, 02:17

Fluffy, on Sep 27 2010, 04:46 PM, said:

1♠ would work very poorly, partner had

♠x
♥AQxx
♦Kx
♣AKxxxx

most of the field playing 4♠ down, 2♠ bought the contract.

What did partner do to ruin this hand?
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
0

#12 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2010-September-28, 02:23

I can't really understand any bid apart from 1S. I understand the comment that 1S would work poorly even less.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

#13 User is offline   Fluffy 

  • World International Master without a clue
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,404
  • Joined: 2003-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:madrid

Posted 2010-September-28, 03:42

gwnn, on Sep 27 2010, 03:56 PM, said:

But why do you bid 2♠ showing 4-7 if you don't have 4-7 and have one more spade?

My reasoning was that suit quality is low, the jacks are spread and short and I had a table feeling about RHO's double promising majors (not sure of why this, but he in fact had 4432).

But my reasonings are not very good latelly so listen to others better :).
BridgeGod: my personal website with interactive problems and articles
0

#14 User is offline   rhm 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,092
  • Joined: 2005-June-27

Posted 2010-September-28, 03:48

gwnn, on Sep 27 2010, 10:56 AM, said:

But why do you bid 2♠ showing 4-7 if you don't have 4-7 and have one more spade?

I don't like 2♠ because it's an underbid and don't like 3♠ either because my spades are not suitable enough, so 1♠ is good. I don't understand why 1♠ would work so poorly, looks like we play 3♣ no?

If you feel that the hand is unsuitable for 3♠ or higher (I do) then 2♠ is just fine.
The seventh spade compensates for the bad honor structure and the weak suit.
The trouble with 1♠ is that you may not be able to rebid them at a low level, since opponents have a heart fit.
Having quacks outside of your long suit and a singleton ♥ jack is enough for me to consider this hand well within 4-7 HCP.

Rainer Herrmann
0
Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users