[kgr]

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IMP's. I don't remember vuln.
What do you open?
- If you can choose between:
- - - 1♠ <and>
- - - 3♥=preempt ♠ <or> GF 2-suiter with ♠ and a minor
- If you can choose between:
- - - 1♠ <and>
- - - 2♣=preempt ♦ <or> GF hand (After a 2♦ relay, you bid 3♣ to show a 2-suiter ♣-♠

[Fluffy]

Depends on the follow ups, I would normally open 1♠, but if your system is able to show this hand more accuratelly I think you better use it. With 1♠ opening you are probably losing clubs when opponents compete so the GF 2 suiter opening sounds good.

[kgr]

Fluffy, on 2010-October-24, 03:16, said:

Depends on the follow ups, I would normally open 1♠, but if your system is able to show this hand more accuratelly I think you better use it. With 1♠ opening you are probably losing clubs when opponents compete so the GF 2 suiter opening sounds good.

- In the system with transfer preempts: Other transfer preempts (3♣-3♦) also include GF 1-suiter in major, so it is easier with this 3♥ opening. In the system notes: "If they compete, the GF-hand can double to show a unicolor and bid with a bicolor. With bicolor bid 2nd suit (no transfer).". => You can rebid ♣ after opening 3♥.
- In the second system you can also show a GF 2-suiter, but it will take more bids. And you don't indicate ♠ immediately. Would you open 2♦ there?

[Gerben42]

If you really got MisIry openings in your suitcase, use them and open on the 3-level. Otherwise 1♠.

3♥ for ♠ isn't part of it. I suggest you use:

2NT: Weak ♣ or Strong ♥+♦/♠
3♣: Weak ♦ or Strong ♣+♥/♠
3♦: Weak ♥ or Strong ♦+♣/♠
3♥: Weak hand with both majors (5+5+ NV, 6+5+ V)
3♠: Natural

Then I would open 3♣

[the hog]

Obviously if I am playing Misiry, I open this with 3H. What is the point of playing it otherwise?

[kgr]

(I didn't have the misery 3♥ available. That is from other system I sometimes play, but not on this hand)
1♠-(2♥)-Pass-(4♥)
??
What now?

At the other table the opened a 2♦ multi including GF
2♦-(2♥-Pass-(4♥)
??

[gwnn]

Open 1♣ with 6-6 It's a fun thing to do and as we all know, fun hands warrant fun ways of bidding them

[Cyberyeti]

gwnn, on 2010-October-24, 04:32, said:

Open 1♣ with 6-6 It's a fun thing to do and as we all know, fun hands warrant fun ways of bidding them

I do this as a matter of routine, also 1♣-1red-2♠ for us shows this sort of hand, although not quite as extreme as this, but if there's competition, I'll bid 4♠ if sufficient. I only lose out if the auction's at 5♦ before I bid again.

[rhm]

Cyberyeti, on 2010-October-24, 06:33, said:

I do this as a matter of routine, also 1♣-1red-2♠ for us shows this sort of hand, although not quite as extreme as this, but if there's competition, I'll bid 4♠ if sufficient. I only lose out if the auction's at 5♦ before I bid again.

And of course you will be happy when partner preferences you back into ♣
If you open black two-suiter with 1♣ (not my cup of tea) you should still play Bridge and treat this one as having longer ♠ than ♣.

Rainer Herrmann

[Cyberyeti]

rhm, on 2010-October-24, 07:39, said:

And of course you will be happy when partner preferences you back into ♣
If you open black two-suiter with 1♣ (not my cup of tea) you should still play Bridge and treat this one as having longer ♠ than ♣.

Rainer Herrmann

2♠shows at least 5 spades and would be made on 5-5s, 5-6s and 6-6s by our methods so no guarantee of preference.

[dake50]

Get to a "what you got in clubs ask?"
Now I can prospect this hand well.

[Fluffy]

koen that's exactly what I meant if you open 1♠ and it comes back at 4♥ you have to bid 4♠ now and lose the clubs.


But if 3♥-X-ps-4♥-4♠ (or double) doesn't show spades and clubs then you are not better placed by opening 3♥, so the opening has no big advantages.


Also if 2♣-2♥-ps-4♥ doesn't let you show the hand in 1 bid, then I don't think it is good agreement to play it.

Still you can rebid 4♠ on both ations and maybe partner suspecs what is going on, I don't know, doesn't seem to put you in a worse position than opening 1♠ so its ok. Treating the hand as unicolor is not a big problem on this particular case, but if you mute the ♠Q into ♣Q it is a tough hand that your methods should give you the advantage to deal with.

[kgr]

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This was the bidding at our table. I expected a 5♥ bid (over which I was gonna bid 5♠) and therefor I preferred 5♣ over 4♠.
Any comments?

[Free]

kgr, on 2010-October-24, 16:43, said:

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This was the bidding at our table. I expected a 5♥ bid (over which I was gonna bid 5♠) and therefor I preferred 5♣ over 4♠.
Any comments?

If you have a good method to show a strong 2-suiter I'd use that. But from what I've seen around here, most methods after transfer preempts are ridiculously poor! So it really depends if you're just able to show 5-5, or if you're able to show/ask specific stuff like Misiry can.

I agree with your first 2 calls if the 3♥ continuations are poor (like I suspect - no offense). After the Dbl however, I'd RDbl for sure. You never know they pass it out.

[kgr]

Free, on 2010-October-25, 02:14, said:

.....After the Dbl however, I'd RDbl for sure. You never know they pass it out.

I'm not sure if RDBL is a good idea.
- You are not sure that 5♣ will make.
- Will RDBL not ask opps to bid 5♥...and maybe, because you are so confident that you 'll make, they will even bid 6♥ over 5♠.

[Free]

kgr, on 2010-October-25, 03:09, said:

I'm not sure if RDBL is a good idea.
- You are not sure that 5♣ will make.
- Will RDBL not ask opps to bid 5♥...and maybe, because you are so confident that you 'll make, they will even bid 6♥ over 5♠.

Well yeah, you don't know 100% sure you'll make it, but you have a great hand and expect to make opposite many hands from partner. ♣xxx may already be enough! At least now partner will know what his ♣K is really worth, and you might bluff opps into sacrificing at 6-level while slam our way is down. Several ways to win imo.

[kgr]

kgr, on 2010-October-24, 16:43, said:

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This was the bidding at our table. I expected a 5♥ bid (over which I was gonna bid 5♠) and therefor I preferred 5♣ over 4♠.
Any comments?

We (my partner and I) are still not sure what the best opening is: 1♠ or 2♣
(We don't have the 2-suiter opening, but we have the GF minor suit in multi 2♦. So 2♣-(2♥)-Pass-(4♥)-5♣ would show a 2-suiter with ♣)
After 1♠....5♣ it will probably be difficult for partner to go to 6♣ with ♣KQx (I can also have AKQxxx-x-x-AJxxx)?
Maybe it is better to open 2♣ with only 3 losers and open 1♠ with 4+?
...but maybe it is never possible - foreseeing a lot of competition - to correctly bid these hands?