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BBF Christmas Swiss (Dec. 18/19) Polling Round 2

Poll: Please vote if and only if you are interested in playing (18 member(s) have cast votes)

After 3 rounds of 12 boards on Saturday, I would prefer any of the following for Sunday

  1. 2x12 boards swiss, 1x12 boards finals (4 votes [14.81%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.81%

  2. 1x12 boards swiss, 2x12 boards (semi)finals (3 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  3. 1x12 boards swiss, 1x12 boards finals (2 votes [7.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.41%

  4. 2x12 boards (semi)finals (4 votes [14.81%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.81%

  5. 1x12 boards swiss, 1x16 boards finals (2 votes [7.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.41%

  6. 1x12 boards swiss, 1x2x8 boards finals (1 votes [3.70%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  7. 2x16 boards (semi)finals (5 votes [18.52%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.52%

  8. 2x2x8 boards (semi)finals (1 votes [3.70%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  9. I don't care! (5 votes [18.52%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.52%

I would like any of....

  1. Duplicated boards for all rounds, disallow kibitzers (3 votes [9.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  2. Duplicated boards for all rounds, but allow kibitzers anyway (we trust each other) (13 votes [39.39%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 39.39%

  3. Duplicated boards for swiss rounds only, disallow kibitzers (3 votes [9.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  4. Duplicated boards for swiss rounds only, allow kibitzers anyway (6 votes [18.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

  5. No board duplication (4 votes [12.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.12%

  6. Whatever you do, don't post my Butler! (4 votes [12.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.12%

I would like the event to start at any of....

  1. 20:00 Europe/19:00 UK/14:00 East Coast/11:00 West Coast (14 votes [19.72%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.72%

  2. 19:30 Europe/18:30 UK/13:30 East Coast/10:30 West Coast (11 votes [15.49%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.49%

  3. 19:00 Europe/18:00 UK/13:00 East Coast/10:00 West Coast (13 votes [18.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.31%

  4. 18:30 Europe/17:30 UK/12:30 East Coast/9:30 West Coast (9 votes [12.68%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.68%

  5. 18:00 Europe/17:00 UK/12:00 East Coast/9:00 West Coast (8 votes [11.27%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.27%

  6. 17:30 Europe/16:30 UK/11:30 East Coast/8:30 West Coast (7 votes [9.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.86%

  7. 17:00 Europe/16:00 UK/11:00 East Coast/8:00 West Coast (9 votes [12.68%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.68%

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Posted 2010-November-21, 04:01

OK, it seems like almost everyone who wanted to play likes December 18th/19th, and there was a decent majority for a two-day event. Therefore, the dates are set. This is a good time to start encouraging your favourite partner to work his way to 25 posts.

Unfortunately the poll was not so clear about the length of rounds people prefer. It seems that 12 boards is a suitable compromise. I expect 3 rounds of 12 boards to be doable in 4-5 hours, but if someone with more experience would like to contribute an opinion, do let me know.

I will start accepting registrations immediately. Teams of 4-6, team total post count at least 500, at least 3 team members with post count >=25. Please specify a team captain who will be responsible for communicating with me and making the line-ups. The team captain should ideally not have a Hotmail address, as they eat (or burn?) my emails. Please register either in this thread or via email to mgoetze at mgoetze dot net.

The event will be canceled if I receive less than 4 registrations by Sunday, December 12th. The system will be switched to round-robin if there are less than 7 registrations.
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Posted 2010-November-22, 06:39

I voted mainly because I might want to kibitz the game so you may disregard my vote on other issues.
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Posted 2010-November-22, 07:36

 jukmoi, on 2010-November-22, 06:39, said:

I voted mainly because I might want to kibitz the game so you may disregard my vote on other issues.


Well if that is the reason I will disregard your vote on all issues... the goal of this poll is to make the event as attractive as possible for potential players.
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Posted 2010-November-22, 14:51

Let's move on to the important stuff: system regulations in effect will be? :)
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Posted 2010-November-22, 14:54

 TimG, on 2010-November-22, 14:51, said:

Let's move on to the important stuff: system regulations in effect will be? :)

IMO it should be similar to the WBF regulations:

http://www.worldbrid...ternational.asp
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Posted 2010-November-22, 15:04

 TimG, on 2010-November-22, 14:51, said:

Let's move on to the important stuff: system regulations in effect will be? :)


Haha... OK, no HUMs, Max. 4 BSCs per Team, BSCs must be registered on the forums by the end of Saturday, December 11th. Sound fair?
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Posted 2010-November-22, 15:13

 mgoetze, on 2010-November-22, 15:04, said:

Haha... OK, no HUMs, Max. 4 BSCs per Team, BSCs must be registered on the forums by the end of Saturday, December 11th. Sound fair?



Well I know what a HUM is but BSC threw for a loop. Probably not a problem but need to know what it is to comply.
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Posted 2010-November-22, 15:25

 pooltuna, on 2010-November-22, 15:13, said:

Well I know what a HUM is but BSC threw for a loop. Probably not a problem but need to know what it is to comply.


Any opening which is neither strong nor shows an anchor suit, with the explicit exception of Multi 2. Common examples are Wilkosz 2, Multi 2, 2NT preempt in either minor, etc.
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Posted 2010-November-22, 15:55

 mgoetze, on 2010-November-22, 15:04, said:

OK, no HUMs. Sound fair?

Where do limited transfer openings fall?
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Posted 2010-November-22, 15:58

 TimG, on 2010-November-22, 15:55, said:

Where do limited transfer openings fall?


If your 1 opening always shows hearts, it has an anchor suit, so it's fine. If it only shows hearts some of the time, it's probably a BSC.
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Posted 2010-November-22, 16:50

 mgoetze, on 2010-November-22, 15:58, said:

If your 1 opening always shows hearts, it has an anchor suit, so it's fine. If it only shows hearts some of the time, it's probably a BSC.



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Posted 2010-November-23, 04:13

Actually if it shows heart part of the time and shows either other suit/shortness in hearts other time, it's hum. So I guess hearts or any bal would go as a legal opening. (Note, only conventions on 2 lvl and higher are brown stickers, 1 lvl openings are only looked for hum purposes)
But someone tell me this one thing that keeps bothering me. I know multi including strong option is not brown sticker. But how about multi with just weak options? I think there are some national regulations about this one but what are the rules we use?

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Posted 2010-November-23, 05:07

 Flameous, on 2010-November-23, 04:13, said:

But someone tell me this one thing that keeps bothering me. I know multi including strong option is not brown sticker. But how about multi with just weak options? I think there are some national regulations about this one but what are the rules we use?


The WBF Systems Policy says:

"A two level opening bid in a minor showing a weak two in either major, whether with or without the option of strong hand types, ..." is not a Brown Sticker Convention as there is an explicit exception (for historical reasons).
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Posted 2010-November-23, 08:09

 Flameous, on 2010-November-23, 04:13, said:

I know multi including strong option is not brown sticker. But how about multi with just weak options? I think there are some national regulations about this one but what are the rules we use?


as others have said, a BSC is non-strong opening at the 2 level lacking an anchor suit in the non-strong hands, aside from a multi 2C or 2D. to qualify as a non-BSC multi 2C/D they must have a spade or heart suit when weak. so a "multi 2C" which shows diamonds, hearts or spades is still a brown sticker for example.

some countries have more permissive regulations, e.g England, and I'm sure Australia. On the other hand you've got the ACBL......
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Posted 2010-November-23, 10:17

The first registration has arrived, hooray! Meanwhile BBO Support has only allowed me 3 simultaneous team matches for the moment... better be one of the first 7 teams to register if you want to be safe. ;) (of course once I get the 6th or 7th registration I will ask again...)

I'm planning to let this poll run until Friday or Saturday before announcing the final conditions, I hope that's OK for everyone. Also, I'm planning on no barometer, does anyone feel strongly that there should be a barometer?
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Posted 2010-November-23, 10:30

 mgoetze, on 2010-November-23, 10:17, said:

The first registration has arrived, hooray! Meanwhile BBO Support has only allowed me 3 simultaneous team matches for the moment... better be one of the first 7 teams to register if you want to be safe. ;) (of course once I get the 6th or 7th registration I will ask again...)

I'm planning to let this poll run until Friday or Saturday before announcing the final conditions, I hope that's OK for everyone. Also, I'm planning on no barometer, does anyone feel strongly that there should be a barometer?

I agree strongly with no barometer, and also if you need, you can create more matches with alternate accounts of yours (or I can do it with one of mine lol)
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Posted 2010-November-23, 10:34

 mtvesuvius, on 2010-November-23, 10:30, said:

(or I can do it with one of mine lol)


Yes... and I see you also voted for duplicated boards. :P

More seriously though, if someone would like to volunteer as assistant TD, that would also be appreciated.
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Posted 2010-November-23, 10:38

 mgoetze, on 2010-November-23, 10:34, said:

Yes... and I see you also voted for duplicated boards. :P

More seriously though, if someone would like to volunteer as assistant TD, that would also be appreciated.

Haha :) My laptop is downstairs in my room... Desktop is upstairs in civilization =)

I do think it would be nice to discuss/post problem hands after, but perhaps duplicated boards wouldn't be too easy to do (and it wouldn't be practical for earlier rounds...)
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Posted 2010-November-23, 11:34

 mtvesuvius, on 2010-November-23, 10:38, said:

I do think it would be nice to discuss/post problem hands after, but perhaps duplicated boards wouldn't be too easy to do (and it wouldn't be practical for earlier rounds...)


It's easy enough if I can start all the matches myself (though admittedly I wouldn't mind if it were easier yet)...
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Posted 2010-November-23, 15:52

Forget that...
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