[dickiegera]

RHO opens 1 Spade and you double holding x,A10x,KQJx,KJxxx

LHO raises to 2S and it passes back to you.

1. Do you have enough to double again?
2. Can you bid 3 Clubs with your 5 clubs and 14 pts
3. or must you pass?

Thank you

[Hanoi5]

Th topic title says 1H-X-2H but you're saying 1S-X-2S. I suppose we're talking about the second in which case I wouldn't mind doubling again. I lack a fourth heart and the only regret I can have is when partner passes, but I suppose s/he'll be responsible for that. My double is just saying that my hand wants to compete and that I don't hold a minimum in HCP.

[dickiegera]

Sorry

Poll should say 1S-X-2S-P-P-?

[Siegmund]

Doubling again requires very little in the way of extra strength, if the hand is otherwise perfect.

On the posted hand, I think it's close between a double and a 2NT bid, if 2NT sounds like "you weren't excited about hearts before, so please don't bid with only 4 of them now, pick a minor instead." I won't be caught dead rebidding 3C with only a KJxxx suit and 14 points.

If you're in a partnership where partner will take X-then-2NT as a balanced 20-count, then yes, you're committed to X-then-X. I don't think the balanced 20-count comes up often enough to justify that use of the bid (and have a meta-agreement about 2NT almost never being natural in this type of auction.)

[straube]

I voted dbl. Dbl requires a little exra and I think I barely have it. This could be a real misfit and dbl preserves the option for partner to pass. Also I think 2N by me remains natural because I'm allowed to have 19-20 balanced over opener.

[Phil]

Vulnerability and form of scoring would help.

[han]

Double and all forms of scoring.

[mgoetze]

Pass vulnerable at IMPs. Double otherwise.

[andy_h]

Double and double

[mcphee]

One reply I came up with super fast was, no way you can bid 3C this is for sure. Next number 3 was easy, you do not have to pass. Number one was more interesting and at first glance it seems bidding again is right, I am not so sure it is after second glance. Admittedly this is a nice hand but if I double again we need to consider what might happen. Our defensive hopes may shrink a tad should one opp have short D. Partner did have a chance to double 2S to compete but did not, thats because they likely hold 4S and no other 4 card suit that makes it worth bidding and no way they have some 5 card suit and a hand worth responding. Granted partner is not forced to bid over 2S, but a 5 card suit along with 4S they might well bid with not so much. and that is the key for me, not so much. Is there any chance my side can play game? If the answer is no as I believe it to be as much as I want to bid again it is not so appealing. The 3 level could and might end up in the from 1 to 3 down side of the score. I see little gain to bidding in the risk reward box.

[mgoetze]

mcphee, on 2010-December-04, 09:11, said:

Is there any chance my side can play game? If the answer is no as I believe it to be as much as I want to bid again it is not so appealing. The 3 level could and might end up in the from 1 to 3 down side of the score. I see little gain to bidding in the risk reward box.

But is your risk reward box suitable for use at matchpoints?

[kenberg]

I was an early vote for double and I haven't changed my mind. But I have a question. Suppose I double again and partner holds 4=3=3=3 shape (and, say, something like six to eight highs). What does he do?

[mgoetze]

kenberg, on 2010-December-04, 12:33, said:

I was an early vote for double and I haven't changed my mind. But I have a question. Suppose I double again and partner holds 4=3=3=3 shape (and, say, something like six to eight highs). What does he do?

Bid 2NT, of course.

[straube]

kenberg, on 2010-December-04, 12:33, said:

I was an early vote for double and I haven't changed my mind. But I have a question.h Suppose I double again and partner holds 4=3=3=3 shape (and, say, something like six to eight highs). What does he do?

he can bid 2N which should be played as "scrambling" or takeout. he would bid the same 2N withe a 3244 zero count. After 2N we can offer 3C to play. Partner could take us out of clubs to offer either red suit.

[the hog]

Pass the second time around. I don't have much extra and partner heard the bidding as well I did.

[straube]

I think I have a king extra. I would dbl 1S with x ATx KQJx Jxxxx; it's certainly an opening hand in most systems and it has a qualifying pattern. A king extra ought to be worth a balancing action here.

[fromageGB]

I am happy to double again. I am not ecstatic about the hearts, but a 4-3 fit is not bad with me having a couple of ruffs.

[whereagles]

There is a recurring discusion on whether 3♣ 2nd round is forcing or not. We all agree it should show some extras, but whether "extras" means like 18 isn't clear-cut.

What 2NT would show now isn't also clear. At least to me it isn't. Are we going to pass with a balanced 18-20?

[mtvesuvius]

I'd double at MPs unless R/R
I'd double at IMPs when NV

I have just enough extra to warrant competing, and forcing partner to the three level has plenty of risks. As we have seen plenty of times, the scoring being MPs in an excuse for doing ridiculous things for some people (myself included occasionally). I think that the risk is too great at IMPs Red and MPs R/R. Otherwise it seems we'll gain enough to cover the losses.

[mtvesuvius]

Whoops, double post.

This post has been edited by mtvesuvius: 2010-December-07, 10:00