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4 clubs in your face

Poll: 4 clubs in your face (50 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid

  1. Pass (20 votes [40.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  2. Double (24 votes [48.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 48.00%

  3. 4 hearts (6 votes [12.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.00%

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#1 User is offline   icearif 

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Posted 2010-December-10, 10:44

Imps - none vulnerable

You have

♠KQJ
♥AK763
♦J93
♣J8

RHO opens 4C and it's your turn...
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Posted 2010-December-10, 11:01

Double seems to cover all possibilities. Partner can pass or bid his suit, the only trouble arises when he has 4♠ and 3♥ and we belong in hearts.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2010-December-10, 11:09

I'd double, the good spade holding makes it better to leave spades in the picture IMO. As Hanoi said, when partner has 4♠ and 3♥, we'll be badly placed, however in the long run I think that X will work more often. Also, it is very possible our best spot is 4♣ X. Either way, I don't think pass is an option, either X or 4♥. I think I'll run a simulation (giving RHO 8+♣), and see what comes up. Any other suggestions for an addition to the simulation?
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Posted 2010-December-10, 11:15

hi, welcome to the forums :)

I would double for the reasons mentioned by vesuvius. partner should pass the double often with balanced hands and when he does they rate to go down. 4♥ is a little too much for me on only AKxxx and 332. I see the merits of pass but why pass when you can do something else?
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Posted 2010-December-10, 11:29

[quote name='gwnn' timestamp='1292001322' post='514678']
hi, welcome to the forums :)

Thx Csaba, I see you have 7.547 post and now I have 1 :-)
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Posted 2010-December-10, 11:36

So I ran a quick simulation, and it looks like X still is the winner. As we stated, when partner has <5 HCP or 4♠ and 3♥, bad things happen. There were a lot of hands where 4M makes or 4♣ is down a few when partner could not reopen.
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Posted 2010-December-10, 11:52

I wonder sometimes with questions like this whether the real problem at times is what to do as Advancer. Too often, the assumption as to how to proceed is based on a pure 4441 takeout, when high interference reduces the reliability of the same.
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Posted 2010-December-10, 20:50

Very obvious pass, especially with only 3S. Take away a club and add a spade and I would double.
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Posted 2010-December-10, 21:21

I would double - but pass is a close second choice. I do not like 4♥ with that suit and partner likely to bid hearts with equal lengths in the majors.
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Posted 2010-December-10, 23:18

Count me in for double.

rho has big time shape and usually, so does everybody else. I am worried about pard having 6 spades to the left and zero or 1 heart much more than having 4 spades and 3 hearts. Keeping pards pass in play too as nobody I know ever opened 4 clubs expecting to make it.
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Posted 2010-December-11, 00:02

View Posticearif, on 2010-December-10, 10:44, said:

Imps - none vulnerable

You have

♠KQJ
♥AK763
♦J93
♣J8

RHO opens 4C and it's your turn...



pass no problemyet
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Posted 2010-December-11, 02:40

Do I have to bid now? The answer isn't clear. I would say "yes" and double, but pass could easily be the winner.
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Posted 2010-December-11, 14:31

Pass this one. I need more than a random 8 count to be able to make something here.
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Posted 2010-December-11, 19:01

Not liking it and it's close, but I double.
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Posted 2010-December-12, 10:11

Simulations may prove me wrong, but it looks like the average partner will have a 4342 shape and a 12 count. Do I want him to bid 4♠? No way. Not even close.

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Posted 2010-December-13, 09:23

Dbl: we have values, reasonable shape, and perhaps we won't get another chance to show our hand. If you pass and partner Doubles, we may well have slam, but the 5-level may be too high as well, so are we that much better off when we pass now?

Sometimes preempts work, this may be one of these cases. I don't have strong feelings about Dbl or pass, either action can turn into a disaster and either action can work out great.
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Posted 2010-December-13, 10:57

I though it would be 80%+ for double, surprised about the results
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Posted 2010-December-13, 17:30

View PostFluffy, on 2010-December-13, 10:57, said:

I though it would be 80%+ for double, surprised about the results


Me too. I think I want a money game against the passers.
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Posted 2010-December-14, 02:43

View Postggwhiz, on 2010-December-13, 17:30, said:

Me too. I think I want a money game against the passers.


I want a money game against the bidders.
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Posted 2010-December-15, 04:09

View Postthe hog, on 2010-December-14, 02:43, said:

View Postggwhiz, on 2010-December-13, 17:30, said:

Me too. I think I want a money game against the passers.

I want a money game against the bidders.

I want to kibitz that money game :D
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