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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2011-March-18, 23:14

IMP NV

Partner opens 1NT, you hold 8642, AQ4, AQ6, A75
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Posted 2011-March-19, 00:47

Hand looks familiar and I would just bid 3NT.

Partner would upgrade out of 1NT with a good 17 and my rather poor 16 opposite an average 17 looks like being a marginal slam at best. Partner might also accept my invite with 16 sometimes and then it will be worse.
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Posted 2011-March-19, 00:49

View Postjillybean, on 2011-March-18, 23:14, said:

IMP NV

Partner opens 1NT, you hold 8642, AQ4, AQ6, A75



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Posted 2011-March-19, 01:53

I have a long way to go before becoming such a disciplined bidder, I wouldn't hesitate to roll out the 4N here.
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Posted 2011-March-19, 05:55

4NT.

our style is, that P can only pass on a minimum.

So, indeed we might end up in 6NT, on 32H.....
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Posted 2011-March-19, 11:18

View PostLurpoa, on 2011-March-19, 05:55, said:

4NT.

our style is, that P can only pass on a minimum.

So, indeed we might end up in 6NT, on 32H.....


And you would go down, as well as probably going down on many hands with 33 HCP. You have the worst distribution as well as no points in your "long" suit. I wouldn't even look for slam if partner and I played the "Yellow Rose of Texas" convention. Assuming no 8-card fit, you'll probably need around 35 HCP for 6NT, and even if you have a 4-4 Spade fit, that looks to need roughly 34 HCP for 6NT because you are 4333. The only chance you have is if partner has a 5-card suit, and even then needs to be a maximum. I would bid 3NT, wouldn't even think twice.
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Posted 2011-March-21, 15:23

Stayman followed by a quantitative invite, if no fit was found,
the quatitative invite would be 4NT.

The forcing raise for the shown major is bidding 3 of the other
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Posted 2011-March-22, 02:17

I'd bid 3NT, but wouldn't mind if my partner bid 4NT. It's borderline imo.
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Posted 2011-March-22, 12:43

3N... YUCK at 4N.
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Posted 2011-March-24, 06:04

3N IMO is the best bid with the flat hand.

2♣ is also better than 4NT, 4-4 spade fit will make an extra trick very often, bypassing the 4 card major is an strategy based on giving away less info to the opponents for the lead, not for reaching best double dummy contract.
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Posted 2011-March-24, 08:14

A good hand for a distribution relay ask if you play it. This is a tough guess because it all comes down to how well our hands mesh. There are some 15 counts which make slam a good proposition but usually that would require partner to have a 5-card suit (or 6) in one of our aces' suits.
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Posted 2011-March-24, 08:26

How can I bypass this ?.... :)


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Posted 2011-March-24, 09:35

3N. I posted a similar hand last year but the 4 card suit was better.

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Posted 2011-March-24, 11:12

I think 3NT is awful.

Can't partner be 5332 with his 16 count?

or 4432 with his 17 count.

We're not even gonna bid stayman to find out about partner's shape?
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Posted 2011-March-24, 14:26

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I think 3NT is awful.

Can't partner be 5332 with his 16 count?

or 4432 with his 17 count.

We're not even gonna bid stayman to find out about partner's shape?

Right, because we'll be able to find this out using stayman... OF COURSE, why didn't I think of that. I'll bid stayman to find partner's exact shape. Perfect.
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Posted 2011-March-25, 03:05

View Postrduran1216, on 2011-March-24, 11:12, said:

I think 3NT is awful.

Can't partner be 5332 with his 16 count?

or 4432 with his 17 count.

We're not even gonna bid stayman to find out about partner's shape?

Even if partner has a ♠ fit, what's the point in looking for it? Ruffing value will be in his hand, while he needs to have high trumps to keep control of the suit. So basically you'll be ruffing with high trumps, great plan.
And what if ♠s split 4-1 or worse? You could go down while NT makes.
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Posted 2011-April-01, 05:35

I had a similar 16 count, 4333 hand at the club the other day. Partner opened 1N and remembering this, I smoothly pulled out the 3N card. Top board , making 3N exactly as others got too high. At the time, my RHO snorted at my 3N bid but afterwards came up and asked why I hadn't bid 4N. Thanks VG!
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Posted 2011-April-01, 05:37

3NT, I hope pard can make it!
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Posted 2011-April-01, 09:01

View Postmtvesuvius, on 2011-March-24, 14:26, said:

Right, because we'll be able to find this out using stayman... OF COURSE, why didn't I think of that. I'll bid stayman to find partner's exact shape. Perfect.



I use stayman with this level of HCP when I am 5332. The 9 card fit probably plays better than 3NT plus probably more comfortable slam tries in the 29-32 range.
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