red support with support?
#2
Posted 2011-April-11, 09:34
#3
Posted 2011-April-11, 10:30
Partner looks like 1=5=2=5 but could also be 2=5=1=5 (as well as some 5-6's). For a r/w Michaels call I would expect a 5-6 11 count in the (gulp) 6 loser range - x AQxxx xx AJTxx. Here, 5♥ is 500, although it isn't clear they are doubling, but there is also an off chance if they do not pick up the diamonds. With ♣AKxxx we are probably beating 4♠ and 5♥ has no chance.
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#4
Posted 2011-April-11, 10:47
Red vs white 5h seems like a guess when both might go down.
#5
Posted 2011-April-11, 10:51
phil I think you mean the pointed bottom suits
George Carlin
#6
Posted 2011-April-11, 11:03
I bid 5♥ at imps but there is nothing wrong with pass at matchpoints. Take your 40% or so and move on but take the goose egg out of play.
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#7
Posted 2011-April-11, 11:48
Phil, on 2011-April-11, 10:30, said:
If I knew she had the pointed suits I would double. Rounded suits most likely, and red suits possible.
#9
Posted 2011-April-11, 23:53
#10
Posted 2011-April-12, 00:10
aguahombre, on 2011-April-11, 11:48, said:
The other pointed suits obviously. Pointed on the bottom
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#11
Posted 2011-April-12, 03:21
George Carlin
#12
Posted 2011-April-12, 15:21
wank, on 2011-April-11, 07:54, said:
We play Michaels always shows 2 highest unbid suits so I would know pard has both red suits. This means we could well be losing 4 black tricks and maybe 1 red, -800 doubled. Two off is -500 and as they are white still losing out against game.
Also when pard bid he didn't envisage a 5-level bid.
It just doesn't feel right so I'm for passing and hoping in at nearer 50%.
#14
Posted 2011-April-12, 23:52
1S 2S 4S ?
4N = p/c for your minor, I am bidding to make
5C = p/c for your minor, I am just saving
5D = strong 5H bid
5H = weak 5H bid
#15
Posted 2011-April-13, 00:13
#16
Posted 2011-April-13, 00:22
One of partner's most likely actions if we pass will be to double back in (or bid something). Obviously we are not sitting for this, we are going to bid 5H. How does this compare to bidding 5H directly? Bidding 5H directly shows something like this, since we did not do something stronger like starting with 4N or 5D (see above post). By passing and then bidding 5H in this scenario, we are not describing our hand, and if partner has a magical hand like void AQxxx Ax AKxxxx there is no way we will get to slam, let alone 7, whereas he has an easy 6H bid (at least) over our 5H.
Basically, when partner saves us by doubling back in (likely), we will usually push against passing but will occasionally miss slam by our failure to act, so it is bad to pass in this scenario.
How about if partner cannot act? Then we are defending 4S opposite mediumish strength 5-5 hands (probably good, but unclear) or mediumish 5-6 or even 6-6 hands. Why would you want to do that? A hand like x AJxxx x AQxxxx would never come back in and this is just almost certainly a game swing if not a double game swing. x AQxxx Kx AQxxx is another hand where we will just be defending 4S ridiculously while we are just on a hook through the opening bidder for 5H, and sometimes they are also just cold for 4S. I guess there is not much else to say except that passing 4S is absurdly bad in my view.
If you play a style of Michaels where passing is reasonable because partner could have anything, then maybe you should reevaluate. If you are only taking 9 tricks when you catch your partner with Kxxxx of support and a side working doubleton, maybe you shouldn't be forcing to the 3 level!
#17
Posted 2011-April-13, 01:09
rogerclee, on 2011-April-13, 00:22, said:
One of partner's most likely actions if we pass will be to double back in (or bid something). Obviously we are not sitting for this, we are going to bid 5H. How does this compare to bidding 5H directly? Bidding 5H directly shows something like this, since we did not do something stronger like starting with 4N or 5D (see above post). By passing and then bidding 5H in this scenario, we are not describing our hand, and if partner has a magical hand like void AQxxx Ax AKxxxx there is no way we will get to slam, let alone 7, whereas he has an easy 6H bid (at least) over our 5H.
Basically, when partner saves us by doubling back in (likely), we will usually push against passing but will occasionally miss slam by our failure to act, so it is bad to pass in this scenario.
You could just play similar 4N/5D bids over the double as you suggest playing on the first round.
#18
Posted 2011-April-13, 05:53
#19
Posted 2011-April-14, 03:56
If you would know the 2nd suit, and you would know,
that the 2nd suit is diamonds, thand I would say bid
5H, but I dont - hence I pass.
Of course if you have the agreement, that the michaels
always showes 6-5 at the given colors bid on as well.
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#20
Posted 2011-April-29, 09:47