[MrAce]

What do you all play this in your pdship ? (2/1 gf with no exceptions style)

1M--2m
2x--3NT ?

Please feel free to suggest the subsequent auctions if it is something custom.

Thanks

[Phil]

Standard is 15-17 without primary support for either of openers suits.

[Bbradley62]

Phil, on 2011-April-12, 12:13, said:

Standard is 15-17 without primary support for either of openers suits.

So, not fast arrival?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

After 2/1 GF response:

1x 2y 2N = 12-14 or 18-19 (18-19 will bid above 3N)
1x 2y 3N = 15-17
1x 2y 2z 2N = 12-14 or 18-19 (18-19 will bid above 3N)
1x 2y 2z 3N = 15-17

[Phil]

Bbradley62, on 2011-April-12, 12:16, said:

So, not fast arrival?

You could play 3N as weaker than 2N if you wanted but I wouldn't consider it standard.

In one partnership I play 1x - 2y - 3N as a very 'pure' 12-14 with exactly a 5x - 2y - 3 - 3 and good stops in the sides. Other hands that don't fit this get thrown into the 2M or 2N junkpile.

I suppose you could extend the same reasoning so 3N in 1x - 2y - 2z - 3N is something really specific like 5y - 3z - 2x - 3 and an exact range. But I've never heard of anyone doing this.

You might be able to create some transfers or a switch here as well.

[nigel_k]

Bbradley62, on 2011-April-12, 12:16, said:

So, not fast arrival?

I think it is standard that fast arrival doesn't apply in NT.

[whereagles]

Shows a min 2/1 in my book (the one I haven't yet written lol). Stuff like 12-15 or so. With more you bid 2NT instead, which is basically a catch-all which asks opener "tell me more".

[Quantumcat]

Phil, on 2011-April-12, 12:50, said:

In one partnership I play 1x - 2y - 3N as a very 'pure' 12-14 with exactly a 5x - 2y - 3 - 3 and good stops in the sides. Other hands that don't fit this get thrown into the 2M or 2N junkpile.

I think I have this implicit agreement with my partner too, except we never discussed it! Never thought about it till now, but if he did rebid 3NT, that is exactly the hand I would expect him to have.

Speaking of this sort of thing, I had this hand:
♠AKQxx
♥xx
♦JTx
♣AQx

and unfortunately in the seat I was in, 1NT was 10-12, so I couldn't open 1NT. After 1♠ partner bids 2♦. What do you think my rebid should be? I thought maybe 2NT, then perhaps if partner bids 3♥ I can bid 3NT and if he bids 3♣ I can bid 3♦, but then he might not delicately want to find out whether we have all the suits stopped, and with a balanced hand he might just bid 3NT. Luckily I had three diamonds so I bid 3♦ (he then bid 3NT and I passed - made 12 on bad defense), but what if I had had two diamonds and three (small) hearts? I guess it is just a matter of having some agreements on what we rebid with a 15-17 bal when 1NT would have been 10-12? What would you do? (2♠ for us shows an unbal hand - either 6+ spades or a second suit lower than partner's bid suit and no extras)

Also I had another problem rebid with this hand a few weeks ago:
♠AKQJxxx
♥xxx
♦-
♣Jxx
After my 1♠ opening, partner bids 2♥. Splintering has the negatives that I should have better trumps and I'm hiding my spades, 2♠ has the negative that I'm hiding a lovely hand for hearts. I tried 3♥. Maybe this is worse than the other two! What do you think is the right rebid? (Or perhaps opening 4♠ to start with) We ended up in 4♥ and made 13 tricks on a diamond lead, pard had x/AKQxxx/Kxxx/xx

[andy_h]

I play 1M-2m-2x-3NT as 15-17 with no support/values in both of opener's suit, but 1M-2x-2M(catch all)-3NT is three card support and choice of games.

[JLOGIC]

I do not accept that it is normal to jump with 15, seems pretty bad to me. Also having a 3 point range seems really bad. 16-17 is what I think is normal.

If partner has 17 he can force beyond 3N safely, and 16 opp 15 doesn't sound like a slam, so I don't see what the point of jumping with 15 is.

It feels like "15-17" just comes from being a 1N opening range, and is not actually a well thought out range.

[Lurpoa]

MrAce, on 2011-April-12, 12:01, said:

What do you all play this in your pdship ? (2/1 gf with no exceptions style)

1M--2m
2x--3NT ?

Please feel free to suggest the subsequent auctions if it is something custom.

Thanks

Playing BWS2001, there is something called the "principle of slow arriving".
So 3NT shows a hand without extras: 12-14(15) H, more or less regular hand, might be single in one of partner's suits.
2NT would show a regular hand, with slam-ambitions

[P_Marlowe]

nat.

A direct 3NT would be 13-15 bal., so the delayed should
show a 5 card suit.

If responder is stronger, he should go via 4th suit.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[FrancesHinden]

In my partnership, this auction is very rare. 1M - 2m - step1 is artificial, but for the natural auctions 1S - 2C - 2H and 1H - 2m - 2S we simply play that 3NT is natural, minimum game force, not inviting partner to pull unless they have something very odd. We play 1M - 2m - 2M as showing 6, a jump to 3NT opposite that denies doubleton support.

After, say, 1S - 2C - 2H I might bid 3NT with xx Jx KQ10x AQJxx