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#1 User is offline   rduran1216 

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Posted 2011-October-04, 14:17


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Posted 2011-October-04, 14:38

View Postrduran1216, on 2011-October-04, 14:17, said:




♠A, I just hope it doesn't give up a trump trick. I have to admit that at the table I would probably lead the ♣K without even thinking about it but after thinking I will try to 1) get off a future endplay and 2) possibly stop a ruff. Of course the dummy might show with ♦AQJx(x) in which case I may regret my choice.
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Posted 2011-October-04, 15:19

I have no "reason" to think any special lead will
defeat this contract and that means I go with
what seems "normal" and start with club K
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Posted 2011-October-04, 20:04

I'd lead ♣K. ♠A can work but also can cost us a trick. Perhaps pd has a ruff that we can manage to find ? All i know is, i do not remember too many hands that i was unhappy with defense leading trump ace when i was declaring.
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Posted 2011-October-04, 20:11

♣K

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2011-October-05, 09:22

Club K. Is this a trick question? :D
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Posted 2011-October-05, 10:26

View Postdboxley, on 2011-October-04, 14:38, said:

Of course the dummy might show with ♦AQJx(x) in which case I may regret my choice.


If thats the case, we aren't beating 4♠ anyway.
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Posted 2011-October-05, 10:44

I see no reason to deviate from a normal lead, ♣K
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Posted 2011-October-05, 11:09

View Postwhereagles, on 2011-October-05, 09:22, said:

Club K. Is this a trick question? :D

A sarcastic whereagles answer that I completely agree with!
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Posted 2011-October-05, 13:54

agree with cherdano
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Posted 2011-October-05, 16:13

full hand


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Posted 2011-October-05, 18:18

View Postrduran1216, on 2011-October-05, 16:13, said:

full hand




seems like lead ♣K, pd plays ♣J, u shift to ♥, pd plays ♦ +50

lead ♠A and -420. Expensive price to pay just to see dummy when we already have a textbook lead.
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Posted 2011-October-05, 21:43

View PostMrAce, on 2011-October-05, 18:18, said:

seems like lead ♣K, pd plays ♣J, u shift to ♥, pd plays ♦ +50


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Posted 2011-October-05, 22:42

View PostPhil, on 2011-October-05, 21:43, said:

Only if you like to take losing practice finesses.


Sorry, what i wrote was nonsense.

Unblocks ♥ T or goes to dummy with ♣ ruff. I dont think we can set this on any lead or defense. Suppose pd overtakes and plays ♦ he makes, if pd plays ♥ and he misguesses still makes.
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Posted 2011-October-06, 00:49

The ♥ lead, which I'm sure is last on everybody's mind, is the only lead to legitimately defeat 4♠. The ♥ lead was tied for last on my order of leads, which were: ♣>♦>either M.
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Posted 2011-October-06, 02:30

Declarer would make on a heart lead too, by unblocking ♥Q at trick one. He's not going to play for you to have no red-suit honour.
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Posted 2011-October-10, 23:27

Maybe I'm still sleepy, but I don't see how any lead defeats this contract. If you lead a ♥, declarer lets it run to his ♥Q. East can take, but this will make ♥Q high, and on ♥A declarer can discard his ♦ loser. He only needs to ruff 2♣s, he'll lose a ♥, a ♠ and a ♣. This is similar to ♣K lead followed by a ♥ switch. If EW play on ♦, then the ♥ loser will go on the high ♦s. And if we don't touch a red suit, declarer will play on ♦ and easily make his contract.
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Posted 2011-October-10, 23:40

View PostFree, on 2011-October-10, 23:27, said:

Maybe I'm still sleepy, but I don't see how any lead defeats this contract. If you lead a ♥, declarer lets it run to his ♥Q. East can take, but this will make ♥Q high, and on ♥A declarer can discard his ♦ loser. He only needs to ruff 2♣s, he'll lose a ♥, a ♠ and a ♣. This is similar to ♣K lead followed by a ♥ switch. If EW play on ♦, then the ♥ loser will go on the high ♦s. And if we don't touch a red suit, declarer will play on ♦ and easily make his contract.


assuming u dont play the Q under the K, which admittedly double dummy makes this work, but I can't imagine anyone doing this, how do u untangle the hearts when a diamond is sent back at trick two?
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Posted 2011-October-11, 02:33

View Postrduran1216, on 2011-October-10, 23:40, said:

assuming u dont play the Q under the K, which admittedly double dummy makes this work, but I can't imagine anyone doing this, how do u untangle the hearts when a diamond is sent back at trick two?

I think you should work on your imagination then. I'd be rather embarrassed if I failed to unblock ♥Q.
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Posted 2011-October-11, 21:06

View Postrduran1216, on 2011-October-10, 23:40, said:

assuming u dont play the Q under the K, which admittedly double dummy makes this work, but I can't imagine anyone doing this, how do u untangle the hearts when a diamond is sent back at trick two?


Sometimes I really want to award you the title of worst poster ever. To summarize, you posted a problem
- with an obvious single-dummy lead, where
- the lead on the actual hand wouldn't matter (assuming a competent declarer), and
- you weren't even able to read the thread and notice the post where it was pointed out that the lead didn't matter.
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