[wclass___]

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♠A was lead. North hand was a bit differet, something like ♠Kxxx.

[hrothgar]

wclass___, on 2011-October-07, 11:31, said:

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♠A was lead. North hand was a bit differet, something like ♠Kxxx.

West = 40%
North = 25%
South = 25%
System = 10%

[jjbrr]

lol

[Free]

I blame the system because you don't play 5NT as a transfer preempt, after which East wouldn't lead ♠ every.

[neilkaz]

I blame West 100%..my gosh who leads aces against Grands anyhow?

[ahydra]

Hehehe! Just last night there was a hand where 6D/6NT was on. When we opened the traveller one pair was in 7D making - with the player on opening lead holding the SA... Would not like to have been that player after the hand!

Open 2C, rebid 3C, then bid 5D exclusion is about the only way I can see of handling this. Time to go work on my specific ace/king-asking conventions.

Edit: sorry, ATB. 100% South I'm afraid - can hardly blame North for raising with TWO aces, nor West for leading his ace... Tough hand though!

ahydra

[Bbradley62]

neilkaz, on 2011-October-07, 12:40, said:

I blame West 100%..my gosh who leads aces against Grands anyhow?

Certainly not GIB! Sorry, couldn't resist...

[gszes]

i see this kind of thing a lot and feel it is better
to open 4n blackwood and be able to sign off if 0 with
pass 5d 5h or 5s and be happy with 6 if 1 or 2 and
bid 7 if 3 and p should convert to nt if they have at
least 1 of your suit no matter imps or mp.

save those 6 openings for a hand that 1 top honor in suit bid to bid 7
AQJT987654
AKQ
void
void

void
A
AKJT98
AKQJT9


so IMO blame s 100% but it might also be a system problem if they
cannot open 4n blackwood.

[hrothgar]

gszes, on 2011-October-07, 13:55, said:

so IMO blame s 100% but it might also be a system problem if they
cannot open 4n blackwood.

"Blame system 100% if you don't bid Blackwood" holding a void = $&()@$^#)@!!!!

[gszes]

just goes to show that holding a void in and of itself
is insufficient reason to avoid blackwood. Blackwood
was designed to help keep you out of poor slams and it
serves its purpose nicely here.

here we have a great hand where using blackwood gets you
to safely play 5 of your suit (whatever it may be) if has zero
or if p has 1 ace you get to a 66.67% slam if they have
2 aces you are better off staying at 6 since a grand is only
33.3% (actually better since only 50% chance opening leader has
the ace) but still not good enough for 7. The added beenfit of
being able to open 4n is it is hugely preemtive and much harder
opps to find a great sac (or gasp even a make since we have like
zero defense).

[billw55]

Interesting, for a freak hand this doesn't seem all that hard to bid.

1. forcing opening
2. set trumps
3. cue bids
4. realize no spade control
5. 6♣
6. hope ops didn't bid 5 of something after step 1 or 2
7. 920, push

[aguahombre]

If South had passed, is 2C Drury?

[Vampyr]

ahydra, on 2011-October-07, 13:20, said:

Open 2C, rebid 3C, then bid 5D exclusion is about the only way I can see of handling this.

This doesn't seem like much of a plan. Partner might be broke. (Also it is close whether 2♣ is permitted in the EBU, though this might not be a problem; the applicable jurisdiction is not noted.) If you open 1♣, then you can see whether partner has values before going slamming. Naturally this plan is not foolproof, as it may let the opponents get together in a major... Nothing is guaranteed, but when you have this much of a freak you do what you can and don't worry about it -- you are not likely to see it again!

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Time to go work on my specific ace/king-asking conventions.

Interesting to consider how this can be improved. There is not much room to do anything over a 4NT opening; some people use a 3NT opening as an ace ask; but those who prefer to use the 3NT opening for something with a bit higher frequency will be stuck and will just have to muddle through next time they pick up a solid 11-card suit.

[Free]

gszes, on 2011-October-07, 13:55, said:

so IMO blame s 100% but it might also be a system problem if they
cannot open 4n blackwood.

Perhaps South should've opened 4♣ Gerber...

[whereagles]

What's 6C anyway? I wouldn't be making guesses with North's hand without having all the aces.

[the hog]

Open 3NT asking for specific Aces.

[gwnn]

N100%. He has two aces but a club void . I wouldn't open 6C but it is not an unreasonable bid.

[mcphee]

What made the N hand think they were invited to this party? Lets see, I hold 2 aces and my partner opened at the 6 level, I doubt he will make this with anyone else and I am delighted to supply them with some winners.

I found that when I have no idea what is going on I can hardly be responsible for the outcome. It is obvious with the N hand that partner has taken a flyer all on their own. Hope like hell they do not hit any tall buildings.

[wclass___]

Sorry about not mentioning the system.
System - precision type. 3N=gambling;4N=minors

[Trinidad]

wclass___, on 2011-October-07, 11:31, said:

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♠A was lead. North hand was a bit differet, something like ♠Kxxx.

All the blame goes to West. He should have doubled. Then North could have run to 7NT.

Rik