[dickiegera]

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Is there a way to 6♦ other than just bidding it directly?

[aguahombre]

dickiegera, on 2011-October-10, 08:52, said:

Is there a way to 6♦ other than just bidding it directly?

Taking a shot at full disclosure threads: YES

My real choice would be to check for 7 first via whatever key-asking (for diamonds you have available. (KXX X AKXXXX AXX?)

[sasioc]

I'd just bid blackwood. I can't see partner having 2 keycards and a hand that I don't want to play in slam. If he shows 3 I will ask for kings and bid grand if he shows the ♠K (I play "king you have or king you don't so no risk of getting too high over 5NT).

[aguahombre]

And if he shows a rounded king, we have a different problem. Once he shows the three keys, the grand seems a favorite with the spade king, AQX of clubs, or the queen of hearts...might just blast 7.

[neilkaz]

I'd ask for key cards first as we could have a grand here.

[ggwhiz]

neilkaz, on 2011-October-10, 09:33, said:

I'd ask for key cards first as we could have a grand here.

The 3♦ bidder rarely has controls this cheesy. The grand seems more likely than 6 at this point but keycard will keep me safe.

[Fluffy]

I'd bid 4♦ first, then keycard, because if partner doesn't have any control I don't wanna play slam.

[lamford]

Fluffy, on 2011-October-11, 09:23, said:

I'd bid 4♦ first, then keycard, because if partner doesn't have any control I don't wanna play slam.

Is it not better to play that 4♦ is keycard? That makes this hand very easy. So I agree with all your post except the "then".

[TWO4BRIDGE]

lamford, on 2011-October-11, 09:26, said:

Is it not better to play that 4♦ is keycard? That makes this hand very easy. So I agree with all your post except the "then".

It would be nice if 4♦! were key card, but when suit agreement is first shown at the 4-level, then
kickback next ( 4♥! ) by partner is RKC....
But for this hand, just go with an unambiguous 4NT! as key card for ♦. You can't go wrong with any reply. And as others have said, if partner shows 3 key cards, you can ask for specific Kings.

[Yu18772]

Fluffy, on 2011-October-11, 09:23, said:

I'd bid 4♦ first, then keycard, because if partner doesn't have any control I don't wanna play slam.

I think partner must have something in addition to AKQJ diamond to justify the jump?

[aguahombre]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-October-11, 18:24, said:

It would be nice if 4♦! were key card, but when suit agreement is first shown at the 4-level, then
kickback next ( 4♥! ) by partner is RKC....
But for this hand, just go with an unambiguous 4NT! as key card for ♦. You can't go wrong with any reply. And as others have said, if partner shows 3 key cards, you can ask for specific Kings.

I would find it confusing to have two different RKC bids for diamonds; if I were Lamford, I might also find it confusing to ask if 4D might be better played as keycard for diamonds and get only that it isn't played as such.

Yes, Lamford, 4D MIGHT be better than 4H if responder can find a more useful jump rebid of his own suit to show, perhaps, a lot of hearts and if 4N (by Meta) is agreed to never be Keycard for a minor.

[JLOGIC]

Whatever you do, you should certainly drive to 6D with Axx AKxx xxxxx K opposite a 3D jump. If I had to guess the best contract right now with that hand, I would be tempted to guess 7D, it's probably close.

[Zelandakh]

aguahombre, on 2011-October-11, 18:53, said:

I would find it confusing to have two different RKC bids for diamonds; if I were Lamford, I might also find it confusing to ask if 4D might be better played as keycard for diamonds and get only that it isn't played as such.

Yes, Lamford, 4D MIGHT be better than 4H if responder can find a more useful jump rebid of his own suit to show, perhaps, a lot of hearts and if 4N (by Meta) is agreed to never be Keycard for a minor.

For some, 4S would be keycard on this auction so make that 3 different bids. Note also that if you want to find out if partner has a control you can start off with 3S, assuming you play this as either a game probe or an advanced cue. When you make a strong action next time partner will presumably know you meant the cue form. On this hand it is probably simplest just to key card though (or, if you play the method, to bid 4D as a slam try then 4S (RKCB) if partner gives a negative 4H response).

[FrancesHinden]

lamford, on 2011-October-11, 09:26, said:

Is it not better to play that 4♦ is keycard? That makes this hand very easy. So I agree with all your post except the "then".

Not necessarily. It is more useful to have some way of showing a diamond slam try that doesn't just ask for aces, but rather suggests partner cue bids and also allows you to stop in 4NT.

I admit I play 4S as a keycard ask, not 4H, because 4H is defined as natural (even though you would never bid a natural 4H)

[Fluffy]

Yu18772, on 2011-October-11, 18:48, said:

I think partner must have something in addition to AKQJ diamond to justify the jump?

AKQJxxx and a queen or two could be enough.

[Cyberyeti]

Fluffy, on 2011-October-14, 08:45, said:

AKQJxxx and a queen or two could be enough.

Depends, might they not have opened 3N with that ?

Also may not need a queen, AKJxxxx and xxx clubs is enough for slam with any 3 major suit cards although nowhere close to a 3♦ bid unless you fail to open 1♦ first).

For us 4♥ is ace asking over 3♦ so I'd do that (we bid 3♥ then 4♥ with a lot of hearts).

[MrAce]

Fluffy, on 2011-October-14, 08:45, said:

AKQJxxx and a queen or two could be enough.

Fluffy i dont understand you, the hand u suggest doesnt exist for the most part but even if it did, take pd's ♠K out and replace with x, he has no controls in unbid suits xxx Q AKQJxx Jxx are u happy for not being in slam ?